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Double Bass How to deal with nerves?

I've got 40+ years of on stage experience and still get a little funky feeling just before we go on. It goes away within the first song though. We usually are able to see the audience and watch their reactions to the music, see if they're moving, grooving, etc. But recently we played a night time festival show and the only thing we could see was white lights. It was kinda strange not being able to see the crowd and know they were in the groove with us. At the end of each song I was so glad to hear applause and cheering cause that was the only indication that there was anyone out there!
 
best way to deal with nerves is too be prepared for whatever you are going to be performing. if you are 100% prepared for what you are going to perform, you will be confident and have not reason to get nervous!

Slappin- Your statement makes a lot of sense- but some people just have a problem with performance. My room mate in music school was a classical guitarist- honestly, one of the most talented musicians I have ever met. In addition to his talent, he also worked harder at his craft than anyone I had ever even heard of- and his ability and potential were recognized by everyone around him, from peers to faculty. Despite all his talent and work he suffered from performance anxiety so severe that could not function. You could see that he was visibly shaking, and who knows what was going on in his head! Poor guy! Believe me- he was more than prepared for any performance- but would just freak out at the notion of playing in public.

He ended up going on some kind of medication- I don't recall what it was- this was back in the late 1980's- so he was probably treated with the "cure de joure". It worked for him, what ever it was- and it didn't seem to affect him negatively in any other way.

My experience with nerves is/was quite different. The very first time I ever played in front of people (a church teen club function) it went very, very poorly! Oddly enough, I had a pragmatic response- rather than get hung up on the failure, I reasoned to myself that it would be nearly impossible for me to deliver a performance that bad in the future unless I actually TRIED to fail! lol! As a result, I don't get nervous!

YMMV and all that-

Joe
 
They are basically 4 things you need to do and/or accept to get past the nerves issue:

1. Be as prepared as you can.

2. Don't try to stop your nerves. You can channel them in a productive direction, but you can't make them go away.

3. They're there to help, but you might not be used to dealing with them yet. Perform often and in different situations so you get used to dealing with them.

4. If they consistently reveal a lacuna in your knowledge or technique, fix it!
 
Slappin- Your statement makes a lot of sense- but some people just have a problem with performance. My room mate in music school was a classical guitarist- honestly, one of the most talented musicians I have ever met. In addition to his talent, he also worked harder at his craft than anyone I had ever even heard of- and his ability and potential were recognized by everyone around him, from peers to faculty. Despite all his talent and work he suffered from performance anxiety so severe that could not function. You could see that he was visibly shaking, and who knows what was going on in his head! Poor guy! Believe me- he was more than prepared for any performance- but would just freak out at the notion of playing in public.

He ended up going on some kind of medication- I don't recall what it was- this was back in the late 1980's- so he was probably treated with the "cure de joure". It worked for him, what ever it was- and it didn't seem to affect him negatively in any other way.

My experience with nerves is/was quite different. The very first time I ever played in front of people (a church teen club function) it went very, very poorly! Oddly enough, I had a pragmatic response- rather than get hung up on the failure, I reasoned to myself that it would be nearly impossible for me to deliver a performance that bad in the future unless I actually TRIED to fail! lol! As a result, I don't get nervous!

YMMV and all that-

Joe

Obviously you have to determine whether or not medication is the right way to deal with your nerves. If it's not terribly awful, medication might be the wrong way to go. This goes without saying, but talk to a doctor about medication before making any decisions. They know how this stuff works better than any of us here on TalkBass do.
 
Experience and knowing the material. After you've played a lot of shows it gets easier. If you're like me (I play in dive bars full of drunks out on the dance floor) it doesn't matter if you make some mistakes. Nobody can tell the difference. So there's no reason to be nervous.
 
pubic speakers (or musicians) will enhance our performances

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Somebody mentioned playing to friends as relaxing. I'm the opposite: no problem playing/speaking/singing in front of people I don't know. Playing to "faceless" audience members is like a rehearsal (or practice? Which is which in English?). But if there are friends or family in the audience - or if I'm familiar with the work of somebody in a jury - that can be really nerve-racking.
 
Put me in the category of not believing in drinking or taking any thing to get past nerves.
What a tired old understanding. At this point in my life seeing 45 year old men, out of shape, and drinking themselves into a better stupor is sickening, regardless of how they sound or how well they play. And who really drinks just one? Spend some time looking at how you get to the condition nervous, the steps to get there. Break the cycle and the nerves will be their just doing their job, your mind which is responsible for the nervous condition, will be firmly in check. Your mind will kill you if you let it.
 
My level of anxiety generally has to do with the difficulty of the tune. If the tune has a complex lick or two, depending on how nervous I am, I try to at least stay on the root, maybe adding a third or a fifth. Constant practice and frequent gigging will get you past this in time. Ultimately, playing to have fun should help to lighten up those anxious feelings.
 
The more you play the more stage fright goes away. Then it is replaced with stage boredom, and you start thinking "I can't stand playing this song any more" or "how can I pretend I enjoy this" or "I hate this band I need to quit" or "The Audience is a bunch of morons that don't have any taste" or "I'd rather be somewhere else"
 
It's all just anxiety.

Breathe deeply, slow, smooth breaths, as slow as you can make them under the circumstances. Sigh or yawn if you need to, but go straight back to the slow breathing. Singers, wind and brass players have an inherent advantage here, they HAVE to control their breathing.

Alcohol is a bad, bad idea. Both because you can get dependent on it, and because it screws up your coordination, so now you really do have something to be anxious about.

Beta-blockers, on the other hand, if the anxiety is so bad you're really unable to do the job because of hand shakes or whatever, can work. If it's less than that, breath control should do the trick.
 
"Throughout my career, nervousness and stage-fright have never left me before playing. And each of the thousands of concerts I have played at, I feel as bad as I did the very first time."
- Pablo Casals

Yup. That's true. I've seen this quote used to open discussions about orchestra auditions. I hope everyone notices in this quote that Casals only acknowledged the presence of nerves, but never acknowledged that he allowed nerves to hold him back. That's also why Casals still practiced three hours a day in the advanced stage of his life and career. Because Pros like Casals practice* until they can't get it wrong, even when nervous.

*It should be assumed that "practice" is inclusive of the practicing of public performance (and the practice of doing auditions) in addition to the solitary preparation in a practice room that leads to performance on a stage. Separating the two is pointless because we don't practice for the sake of practicing. We practice so we don't suck when we get on the stage, nervous or not.
 
I apologize - when I first responded, I didn't realize that this was a Double Bass forum. I also really didn't (and still don't) think that the "nerves" issue had much to do with one's playing ability, skill level or readiness. I just responded to the OP's question because it, well, hit a nerve.

This was my first foray into the DB forum, and while it hasn't been a comfortable one, please rest assured that blowhards like ILYA exist on both forums.

As long as you continue to believe that "nerves" have little to do with playing ability, skill, and readiness, then there is really very little I can say that would not ID me as a blowhard in your book when I address the original poster's "nerves" problem. Of course, you had little to say, too. Rather than addressing my points directly you responded with "wow" and "maybe he was nervous when he typed out his lecture." At that point, I decided to respond to you according to the ground rules that you established in your dismissive posts. Sorry if you could not handle your own medicine. I must now find a Talkbass Blowhard badge to wear with shame.:D

ILYA, you take yourself too seriously,

Really? Trying to improve one's ability to perform on the bass is taking myself too seriously? :rollno:

and your insinuations never hit the mark - not once.

Wow, you have so much self-esteem and are so self-assured that you are able to deflect my remarks. :D


ILYA, I know that it all comes down to hiding behind your keyboard, because I can guarantee that you wouldn't speak to people like that face-to-face.

Actually, when the topic of nerves comes up in real-life, I say more-or-less the same thing. Since no one gets to hide behind a keyboard in real life face-to-face conversations, topics are addressed directly rather than calling people blowhards and avoiding the topic directly and going on tangents.

You need to grow up a little

I've grown up already. Part of maturity is having the fortitude to consider uncomfortable truths. By your benchmark, I need to grow up. Fine. By my benchmark, so do you.

and accept the fact that not everyone shares your methodologies.

Yes. That is an obvious assumed stance among true grown-ups and generally does not have to be pointed out. Only in the consideration of contrary methodologies can one truly grow. And I arrived at my stance on nerves by going through a phase where I believed that nerves were causing my poor performance. When someone told me that I just sucked and told me the specifics of my suckiness, then I addressed my suckiness directly and still do to this day. Oh sure I was mad at first, but somewhere along the line I grew up. I think you need to do the same.


It's ILIA with an "I."

Have a nice day.
 
A Spotless Mind said:
I know I can speak for all of us when I say nerves suck. For me, (and I'm sure many others as well) nerves don't allow me to play my best and sometimes even makes me feel like I've never even touched a bass before. It's very frustrating.

Does anyone have any tips/advice on how to deal with nerves and how to play nervous? Also, any book recommendations about this topic would be extremely helpful as well.

Meditate regularly. It makes many aspects of life better.

-S-
 

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