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How would define "bad music"?

Duke Ellington once said there were really only two kinds of music; good and bad. I do agree with that statement although musical appreciation and musical tastes are highly subjective and vairy tremendously.
Of course, I do know which music I like and which music I adore. Oftentimes my favorite genres (without getting into particulars) are overlooked, under appreciated, not understood by folks who listen on the "surface only".
Then again music which is insanely popular, I am sometimes not drawn to. (over the top, intellectually lacking, formulaic etc.) My reasons for catagorizing music as simply "bad" are very personal.
What is "bad" music to you?
 
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I want to hear a little sweat going into it, the sense it's a real performance, a musical moment of some kind happening, even if it's not something I care for or like at all. I want to hear an honest performance. I want to hear a viewpoint, an opinion, and . . . 'make it snappy'. I want to listen to something and as it hits the final chord or the fade out fades away, I want to realize that I wasn't here for the last several minutes, listening to that took me somewhere else. I often note that sudden missing a few minutes feeling means I REALLY liked it, was really moved.

I get real bored real quick with computers, loops, samples, vocoders, and all the perfectly tuned stuff that's been digitally mastered into atomic-clock- perfect time and perfectly tuned vocals and harmonies . . . that really don't bear much resemblance to what I referenced above.

I want music computers and digital workstations CAN'T make.
 
I want to hear a little sweat going into it, the sense it's a real performance, a musical moment of some kind happening, even if it's not something I care for or like at all. I want to hear an honest performance. I want to hear a viewpoint, an opinion, and . . . 'make it snappy'. I want to listen to something and as it hits the final chord or the fade out fades away, I want to realize that I wasn't here for the last several minutes, listening to that took me somewhere else. I often note that sudden missing a few minutes feeling means I REALLY liked it, was really moved.

I get real bored real quick with computers, loops, samples, vocoders, and all the perfectly tuned stuff that's been digitally mastered into atomic-clock- perfect time and perfectly tuned vocals and harmonies . . . that really don't bear much resemblance to what I referenced above.

I want music computers and digital workstations CAN'T make.
I wholly disagree with your statement.

I am the type of person who listens to a lot of real time performed music. Metal of various kinds mostly. You know, the type where the people playing it are murdering it to a crazy tempo. Blood and sweat. Or the stuff where they hire an entire orchestra to play together with them. And a choir.

You know what music made me cry and still makes my stomach churn and the tears flow every time I hear it?

Some ambient, sampled synth nonsense or whatever the hell it even is. A very specific track from a video game.

Music is complex. So are we.
 
There is no bad music. There is uninventive, emotionless, repetitive etc, but objectively bad? I'd argue that if a song is liked by someone then it cannot be bad. But I'd also say that being liked isn't a necessity for a piece of music to be called good, so... There really isn't any bad music, at least not objectively.

It always bugs me when musicians call a piece of music bad because it isn't to their liking. We forget that just because we can analyze something doesn't mean that our opinion becomes fact.