HX Stomp / modeler users, do you run cab sim to your amp?

[Fat Bottom Kyle]

I use alot of the IMA presets as they are into a markbass 212. I really like the way they come from Ian. I also have like 30 synth presets that do not have any amp or cab on them and they sound fantastic too. None of it makes much sense to me, but it sounds fantastic in the phones and through the Markbass. I am now a subscriber to the "if it sounds good, go with it" approach.

 

[EricOnTheBass]

“Sounds good, is good” is the only rule that matters.

That being said, sending complete bass tone signal chain that you like the sound of through full range IEM’s into an another cab is very likely not going to send good to you anymore.

There should be a way to route that same signal pre-IR into your amp onstage in the HX though.

Yep, there is a way. I run the amp/cab simulator in a parallel path so that I can blend it with my "clean" signal with whatever other effects I'm using. I added a send to the path parallel to the amb/cab sim that goes to the FX send on the HX Stomp. I can send that signal to my amp, and the main signal (which has the amp/cab sim blended in) to FOH.

I was just curious as to whether this was a common practice. The fact that the FX send is on the side of the unit makes it a bit of a pain when the Stomp is on a pedalboard sandwiched between my wireless receiver and DI box. I wish the send was on the back instead.

 

[EricOnTheBass]

I use the SVT A/B. They are all pretty good, just the SVT sound is so classic it’s hard to beat.

I think I will try that one. I'm in love with the B-15 amp and cab model in this unit. I want to buy a real one $$$.

 

[silky smoove]

Yep, there is a way. I run the amp/cab simulator in a parallel path so that I can blend it with my "clean" signal with whatever other effects I'm using. I added a send to the path parallel to the amb/cab sim that goes to the FX send on the HX Stomp. I can send that signal to my amp, and the main signal (which has the amp/cab sim blended in) to FOH.

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I was just curious as to whether this was a common practice. The fact that the FX send is on the side of the unit makes it a bit of a pain when the Stomp is on a pedalboard sandwiched between my wireless receiver and DI box. I wish the send was on the back instead.

I'm assuming in this arrangement you're using the split to determine the quantity of direct versus amp/cab blend. Is that right? I'm guessing it's a Y split for that. You might also try putting the amp/cab in the same run as the rest of the signal chain to remove the split entirely. From there you could just use the mix control built into the amp and cab blocks to determine the overall mix and output without having to worry about level controls at the split. Ultimately though, if this is working for you then don't bother changing. I only mention it because I consistently had my best results with the HXS when avoiding splits wherever possible.

 

[EricOnTheBass]

I'm assuming in this arrangement you're using the split to determine the quantity of direct versus amp/cab blend. Is that right? I'm guessing it's a Y split for that. You might also try putting the amp/cab in the same run as the rest of the signal chain to remove the split entirely. From there you could just use the mix control built into the amp and cab blocks to determine the overall mix and output without having to worry about level controls at the split. Ultimately though, if this is working for you then don't bother changing. I only mention it because I consistently had my best results with the HXS when avoiding splits wherever possible.

Yes, I'm going 50/50 right now, but the balance can be adjusted either at the split or at the merge. I want the split because I want the main output to blend direct and "mic'd" outputs. There's no blend control on the amp or cab models.

 

[MartinB]

If I'm using my own amp and cab, I know how to set them to be relatively flat - so they get the same as FOH, full signal with cab sim.
If I'm using someone else's, then the amp and cab get a signal without a cab sim (using a Send block, or just changing the output setting on path B), and FOH gets the full signal with cab sim.

Some of the Stomp's Cab blocks sound good, but I mostly use a Parametric EQ block instead. Ultimately it's about keeping the lows tight (HPF), avoiding fizz from dirt in the highs (LPF), and then whatever mid range shaping is needed to fit you into the mix with the other instruments.

 

[silky smoove]

I want the split because I want the main output to blend direct and "mic'd" outputs. There's no blend control on the amp or cab models.

Now that I think about it; I never used Line 6's stock amp/cab sims as I found them pretty bad sounding. I always used IRs which do have an internal blend control that really simplifies things. For instance, in your setup if you pushed the blend from 50/50 to 75/25 or 25/75, the level of your amp send would change. That would bother me, but if it's working for you and you like the sound of Line 6's stock amps and cabs then disregard.

 

[Snarf]

I recently got myself an HX Stomp, and I'm loving it so far. During rehearsals and gigs at smaller venues, I run my pedalboard straight into the mixer. One of the reasons I got the HX Stomp is so that I can blend the sound of a mic'd cabinet in with my direct signal that I send to the mixer (I run sound for the band too). It sounds great in the IEM's with some cab simulation.

I also use my own amp and cabinet(s) when playing in larger rooms so that I can hear the low end more clearly and feel some rumble on the stage. I'm curious whether those of you that run a modeler AND use an amp send the fully-processed signal, including the cab sim, to your amp? Or do you have a send somewhere before the cab simulator? I'm guessing it might not make a big difference up on stage, but sending an SVT 8x10 simulation into my Genzler 1x15 seems kind of silly. Or does it?

I separate the signals. I use a Sansamp VT Bass to go to the board and ears, and I use the parallel, unaffected output to connect to my amp. It always sounds terrible sending the affected signal to the amp. The cab sim is not compatible with a physical cab.

That said, I may be taking the amp off the stage again and going ears-only because I made my synth bass setup a little more complicated for this upcoming season.

 

[meisi]

Ultimately it's about keeping the lows tight (HPF), avoiding fizz from dirt in the highs (LPF), and then whatever mid range shaping is needed to fit you into the mix with the other instruments.

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A simple HPF/LPF and some resonance will more than do, especially for bass.

IRs are a rabbit hole easily avoided.

 

[waveman]

I run my Tonex One with amp/cab sim into my bass amp and out the DI of the amp. Just different EQ settings. It can work... may not be 100% ideal, but it's live music, as long as it sounds good, it is good

 

[logdrum]

Sounds bad to me. . In the case of a TC Ampworx pedal, my tube power amp actually reproduced artifacts when the cab sim in on. Can the stomp output cab and non cab. Another option is to just get an IR loader

I play the Charlie Hunter guitar as well, bass and guitar in one instrument. I use to bring a bass and guitar amp, but my solution nowadays is a 3 channel line mixer from Rolls - Guitar into TC Ampworks pedal/s and I use the cab sim in it, but my bass sounds better without a cab sim even though I have preamps that have them, Both signals get level mixed in the Rolls and then into 2 channels on my powered JBL. I could technically go into the JBL direct but I have a keyboard as well and Rolls just converts everything into a nice line level, plus it is my late night headphone solution. I have tube amps and they are heavy and you need it to be loud to get a good sound. For larger gigs, I do bring my guitar and bass amp, but since I also play keyboards, the JBL solution is perfect solution when needed.

 

[KJMO]

The IMA presets weren't really worth it to me considering the cost (I bought one of the packs). Ymmv though.

Yes, I'm going 50/50 right now, but the balance can be adjusted either at the split or at the merge. I want the split because I want the main output to blend direct and "mic'd" outputs. There's no blend control on the amp or cab models.

FWIW, I was speaking of the loaded IRs, which you can blend the IR affected signal without any split. Though I feel the same about the built-in cabs sims as far as sound.

 

[dmichaels10]

Yep, there is a way. I run the amp/cab simulator in a parallel path so that I can blend it with my "clean" signal with whatever other effects I'm using. I added a send to the path parallel to the amb/cab sim that goes to the FX send on the HX Stomp. I can send that signal to my amp, and the main signal (which has the amp/cab sim blended in) to FOH.

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I was just curious as to whether this was a common practice. The fact that the FX send is on the side of the unit makes it a bit of a pain when the Stomp is on a pedalboard sandwiched between my wireless receiver and DI box. I wish the send was on the back instead.

Couldn't you route that "FX send" path to the Right output behind the stomp instead? You would need to change it from Balanced to unbalanced but then it would free up your FX loop and solve the pedalboard problem?

 

[MovingPitchers]

I always turn off my amp and cab sim when I plug in to an actual amp and cab.

Nowadays we go all through into the main system so I leave them on.

 

[bassnyc1]

To keep the low end tight, even with a 5 string, which eq block do you use and how do you set it?

 

[EricOnTheBass]

To keep the low end tight, even with a 5 string, which eq block do you use and how do you set it?

Sounds like you want something like a high pass filter? I'd use either the parametric or the graphic EQ. Low B is 31Hz, so I'd start with a modest cut there and adjust the frequency and cut/boost until you get a result you like.

 

[MartinB]

"Low Cut" (which is HPF) on either the Low and High Cut or Parametric EQ blocks, or the global EQ