Except that Weiland is (or was) a heroin addict.
Seemingly, his former bandmates keep taking him back, though.
I like Stone Temple Pilots, but I wouldnt stand for that crap. (unless he was making me beaucoup bucks)
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I am wrong for being angry?
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Except that Weiland is (or was) a heroin addict.
Seemingly, his former bandmates keep taking him back, though.
I like Stone Temple Pilots, but I wouldnt stand for that crap. (unless he was making me beaucoup bucks)
Sounds like everyone in your band keeps making excuses for him, and the fact that you are posting here -to me- sounds like you are trying to come up with excuses too.
Now, I spent the odd 7 years in a band that went nowhere due to the singer (a lousy one with zero stage presence) having a bad case of LSD. We all kept making excuses for him too. So I recognize the signs when I see 'em.
Question: does NO ONE in your band sing, other than Flakey? Seriously, no one? In our band, the drummer has a very good voice (great for backings, not sure about lead) and I am an adequate backing vocalist. Between the two of us, I am sure something could be salvaged if the singer were to bail all of a sudden.
Don't make excuses, make decisions.
Now, I spent the odd 7 years in a band that went nowhere due to the singer (a lousy one with zero stage presence) having a bad case of LSD. We all kept making excuses for him too. So I recognize the signs when I see 'em.
Question: does NO ONE in your band sing, other than Flakey? Seriously, no one? In our band, the drummer has a very good voice (great for backings, not sure about lead) and I am an adequate backing vocalist. Between the two of us, I am sure something could be salvaged if the singer were to bail all of a sudden.
Don't make excuses, make decisions.
Yeah, I'd definitely be pissed. Nothing wrong with getting angry, just don't let it simmer or affect your judgment too much.
As far as what to do, plenty of good ideas here, but if I were you I'd just do what I want. If I wanted to stay and put up with his crap, I'd do that. If I wanted to talk to him, set up an ultimatum, blah blah, I'd do that. Want to quit? Quit. You're not wrong for any choice you make... except choosing not to have fun. So do what's fun. Good luck!
As far as what to do, plenty of good ideas here, but if I were you I'd just do what I want. If I wanted to stay and put up with his crap, I'd do that. If I wanted to talk to him, set up an ultimatum, blah blah, I'd do that. Want to quit? Quit. You're not wrong for any choice you make... except choosing not to have fun. So do what's fun. Good luck!
Based on that bit of info, of course they won't be upset with him or kick him out.
Whether you get "mad" or not, the situation stays the same. Only you can change, either your perception of the situation or by removing yourself and focusing your energies on more rewarding projects.
He won't change. Neither will your band mates.
What you've got to realise is that when you work with a flake (and he IS a flake) people will perceive you ALL as being flaky, even though you're not.
As in "You can't trust this band to all show up for a gig - they're a bunch of flakes".
As in "You can't trust this band to all show up for a gig - they're a bunch of flakes".
Although I'd say you're not wrong in being upset over the matter, I'd suggest sitting down and making a "pros" and "cons" list. Think of all the pros he brings to the band, I.E., good front man, sociable, good singer.....cons being a diva attitude, unreliable, etc.
Just ask yourself if you or anyone else in the band would have been met with the same if they'd not shown up.
...very likely not.
...very likely not.
+1 on that sentiment.
Think about it: you said you have a career going as a producer. Do you want to be looked upon as someone unreliable? As my uncle once told me: "You only have one reputation."
bassman314
I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process...
Is having a "come to jesus" meeting out of the question...
"This is the problem I have.... "
"If it happens again Im out"
seems like a pretty easy decision since you've said you have a lot of other stuff going on.
"This is the problem I have.... "
"If it happens again Im out"
seems like a pretty easy decision since you've said you have a lot of other stuff going on.
I would think keeping a band together in Kauai is quite a challenge as there are few musicians and few places to play....
PS: I wish I could play in a band in Kauai, know that island inside out by now.
PS: I wish I could play in a band in Kauai, know that island inside out by now.
I agree that his actions are frustrating and doing your best to keep anger out of the equation will lead to better, more clear-headed decision making - but you have to lay down the law and be prepared to enforce it when (not if, because he's a flake, plain and simple) he breaks it. That means be ready to axe and replace him.
Extending the benefit of the doubt once is something everyone deserves. Doing it more than that is enabling his behavior and you become complicit - and like others have said, tarred by the same brush.
To me the bottom line is respect. His actions do not show respect for the rest of you. You letting him get away with it confirms his sense that you don't need or deserve respect.
Extending the benefit of the doubt once is something everyone deserves. Doing it more than that is enabling his behavior and you become complicit - and like others have said, tarred by the same brush.
To me the bottom line is respect. His actions do not show respect for the rest of you. You letting him get away with it confirms his sense that you don't need or deserve respect.
To the OP.
I recently left a group I was in for seven years because for the last 13 months we had a new band member of this ilk. On top of everything else, she still hadn't learned most of the songs.
I am about your age - which is too old (mature) to babysit at gigs.
I recently left a group I was in for seven years because for the last 13 months we had a new band member of this ilk. On top of everything else, she still hadn't learned most of the songs.
I am about your age - which is too old (mature) to babysit at gigs.
I'd be angry too. In any other job, if you don't show up, or are late, you're usually given some sort of sanction or even lose your job.
As a band, each individual member has a responsibility towards the others to participate in the life of the band and do their individual roles. Any sort of drama on anyone's part isn't going to just affect them but others.
If I was in your position, I'd make my feelings known to everyone, with a clear expectation of what was to happen if things don't improve.
As a band, each individual member has a responsibility towards the others to participate in the life of the band and do their individual roles. Any sort of drama on anyone's part isn't going to just affect them but others.
If I was in your position, I'd make my feelings known to everyone, with a clear expectation of what was to happen if things don't improve.
