I have a challenge!

[moley]

Originally posted by Howard K
"Not a good candidate for transcribing"
...precisely my point!

Heh, I could do it - it's just a matter of how to notate free passages. And also, the length. I mean, 24 minutes is a lot for one tune. I could transcribe it - but I haven't got the time to transcribe five 24 minute pieces in a month. To do it in a month, they'd have to be a slightly more reasonable length.

Well, you were all "I can transcribe anything, c'mon then!"

Yeah - but time is the issue here. I was thinking of suggestions like Spearhead's original ones in the first post. Now you go talking about 100 minutes of crazy Jazz.

..and here I was thinking about a couple of tracks from Tijuana Moods, some of Herbie's more 'out there' stuff and maybe a horribley complex live track from the marcus miller CD I just bought!

...and now it's all, "go on pick five ordinary songs and I'll do it"

Hey hey, no, not five ordinary songs. Just not five 25-bloody-minute ones! And are we talking about just bass lines here, or all the parts?

I could figure 5 ordinary songs in a week for God's sake. It'd take me a month to write it all down mind you, cause my notation is next to non-existent...!

Again, do you mean the bass lines, or all the parts? If you're just talking about basslines, no biggie - 5 ordinary songs in less than a week (including notation), no problem.

Basically, I'm not betting you £20 that you cant notate a bunch of 4/4 pop songs in pent minor and some major keys!!!

I'm not talking 4/4 pop songs. I was thinking the more complex end of things. And, I was actually thinking you meant all the parts - not just the bass. When I said Stevie Wonder, I wasn't thinking of just the bass line to You Are The Sunshine Of My Life, I was thinking of all the parts to Sir Duke & I Wish sorta thing etc. - bass, keys, horns, etc.

Did you want me to transcribe just the basslines to the wild Herbie stuff or the whole lot?

 

[Howard K]

It doesnt matter cause I'm not offering the bet!

You initially were talking unconditional - any song, every part etc etc... now these condtions come in and it makes the less difficult

Still, I'd be impressed to see anyone transcribe all parts of five songs of that complexity indside a month - purely because it's a lot of work.

...but then I'm not going to make a bet on how much work you can do in a month am I!

Anyway, you really think you could transcribe the entire of Sleeping Giant? - Including all the percussion?

Do you study music at Uni by any chance? How come you're so accomplished?

 

[moley]

Originally posted by Howard K
It doesnt matter cause I'm not offering the bet!

Chicken?

You initially were talking unconditional - any song, every part etc etc... now these condtions come in and it makes the less difficult

Condititions? I was talking the same kind of thing that the original poster was talking about - some pop, some Jazz, etc... then you started talking about - 5 crazy Jazz improvisations totalling 100mins!

Still, I'd be impressed to see anyone transcribe all parts of five songs of that complexity indside a month - purely because it's a lot of work.

...but then I'm not going to make a bet on how much work you can do in a month am I!

Apparently not, anymore.

Anyway, you really think you could transcribe the entire of Sleeping Giant? - Including all the percussion?

Well I don't know the notation for percussion, so I wouldn't know how to notate it. All it would come down to would be notating the rhythms. Again, however, it's not all in-tempo. How do you notate free improvisation that's not in tempo?

Percussion aside - yeah I could transcribe it. In fact, maybe I will, just to show you

Do you study music at Uni by any chance?

No.

How come you're so accomplished?

I've been playing by ear for a long time, and transcribing songs for a long time.

 

[Howard K]

Condititions? I was talking the same kind of thing that the original poster was talking about - some pop, some Jazz, etc... then you started talking about - 5 crazy Jazz improvisations totalling 100mins!

Well I'd hardly part with £20 for you to transcribe a load of frikkin easy pop songs would I!

I reckon I could transcribe bass parts for five Police/ JK, Stevie (well some!) songs in a month... and I can barely read/write music!! (I'd have to really knuckle down mind!)

My original point was that 5 is a lot for most people to bother with in a month. I personally have three bands, a 9to5, a Mrs and practicing to do.. so five trascriptions is lot to take on.
...and I expect it would be the same for many TBers!

Anyway, this all started because you were shooting your mouth off about being able to transcribe (any!?!) 5 songs in a month... dont even try to deny it, you bloody were!!!

You're on. How much of your hard earned cash do you wanna bet that I can't transcribe five songs in the next month? And how much detail? Every single part? Including drums? Including solos? Every single note played on the recording? Either way - I'll take that bet

 

[moley]

Originally posted by Howard K


Well I'd hardly part with £20 for you to transcribe a load of frikkin easy pop songs would I!

I wasn't talking about frikkin easy pop songs. There's a big difference between Sleeping Giant and Roxanne.

I reckon I could transcribe bass parts for five Police/ JK, Stevie (well some!) songs in a month... and I can barely read/write music!! (I'd have to really knuckle down mind!)

See, there ya go, talking about bass parts. When I suggested Jamiroquai, Police, Stevie - I was talking about all the parts, not just the bass damnit! Which is completely different. Sure you could transcribe the bass parts for 5 songs by those artists. That's easy. It's not quite as easy when you're transcribing all the keyboard and guitar parts, vocal harmonies, and anything else that's in there. That's why I suggested those songs, not Sleeping Giant and the like. Transcribing all the parts for five tunes of the sort of Sleeping Giant is something of a monster task.

My original point was that 5 is a lot for most people to bother with in a month. I personally have three bands, a 9to5, a Mrs and practicing to do.. so five trascriptions is lot to take on.
...and I expect it would be the same for many TBers!

Anyway, this all started because you were shooting your mouth off about being able to transcribe (any!?!) 5 songs in a month... dont even try to deny it, you bloody were!!!

Well, if you will go around offering bets about how many songs we can transcribe in a month!!

 

[Howard K]

OK, since this has been built up so much....

I'll give you £20 for full transcriptions of the following five songs, by 1st March.

Thing is, you'll need steal mp3's online for some of it... or I could post you a CD if PM me your address?

1) Sly & the Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
Shoudlnt be too hard, horns, geetar etc. Fairly repetative stuff. nice line tho, you'll like it I'm sure

2) Regretting The Rainbow - Steve Lawson
Solo bass... tee-hee. Actaully I expect this one's fairly straight forward, but still, tis all bass

3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me

4) The Jam - Graham Central Station
Oooh, Ha Haaa! Ha HAAA! Good luck on this bass line, there's more muted slaps than you can wave a thumb at folks!!!

5) Cholly, Funk Get Ready To Roll - Funkadelic
Sorry, I just changed thsi one, as my orinigal choice IIBS was a bit unfair cause the inro is in free time and is unbelievabley difficult even on electric bass!

So do we have a bet?

Only two jazzers in there and one is relativley straight forward (Fables..) for a man of your talents!


SORRY FOR THE LATE EDIT!

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally posted by Howard K


3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me

Good choice!! I want to see how the section in 11 turns out!!

 

[Howard K]

yeah, i absolutely love that track.. in fact the entire album is fantastic.. also very accessable for a beginner jazz listener such as myself

 

[moley]

Originally posted by Howard K
OK, since this has been built up so much....

I'll give you £20 for full transcriptions of the following five songs, by 1st March.

Thing is, you'll need steal mp3's online for some of it... or I could post you a CD if PM me your address?

1) Sly & the Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
Shoudlnt be too hard, horns, geetar etc. Fairly repetative stuff. nice line tho, you'll like it I'm sure

2) Regretting The Rainbow - Steve Lawson
Solo bass... tee-hee. Actaully I expect this one's fairly straight forward, but still, tis all bass

3) Fables of Faubus - Mingus
I absolutely LOVE this song & want to learn it, so I figured you could do the hard work for me

4) The Jam - Graham Central Station
Oooh, Ha Haaa! Ha HAAA! Good luck on this bass line, there's more muted slaps than you can wave a thumb at folks!!!

5) Cholly, Funk Get Ready To Roll - Funkadelic
Sorry, I just changed thsi one, as my orinigal choice IIBS was a bit unfair cause the inro is in free time and is unbelievabley difficult even on electric bass!

So do we have a bet?

Only two jazzers in there and one is relativley straight forward (Fables..) for a man of your talents!


SORRY FOR THE LATE EDIT!

Define 'full transcription'. Including drum parts? Cuz if so, I'll have to look up how to notate the different drums. And what about horn sections... is just one (or two if it goes quite low) staves with the whole horn section parts on OK? (rather than writing out Trumpet 1, Trumpet 2, Alto 1, Tenor 1 etc. etc. - cuz that's a lot more tricky sometimes). I'm talking about the sort of horn section parts you get in funk and such - where the whole section plays chords & stabs and such.

Also, since I don't know these tunes - how long are they?

Can you burn 'em onto a CDR and post 'em to me? That'd be good - I'll PM you my address.

 

[Spearhead]

I think that 5 transcriptions a month is pretty easy. I am by no means very good at reading music and thats what this supposed to remedy. These dont have to be hard songs either, it should be for your level of ability. I think that the transcription should only be bass parts, but this is for the learning experience and because of that I think that anybody who is above the the standard bass transcription and wants to challenge themselves with a full transcription should by all means do so. What I need your guys help on is what software to use to make the transcription available for others to see on this site. Also how are we gonna organize this?

 

[mcbosler]

i propose that we just announce which songs we're working on to avoid overlap, then scan and post the finished transcriptions in either this thread or another that gets set up for that specific purpose.

 

[Wrong Robot]

Transcribe all you want..I'm using Finale

 

[SleeperMan2000]

So where will we share all these lovely transcriptions? What format? Just a graphic shot or a Finale file? PDFs?

I have always wondered why, with so much talent here, this hasn't been done before, then I thought there may be copyright issues if we post them to the world. Are there?

 

[Spearhead]

I'm sorry, but I think that is ridiculous. How can tab be legal and standard notation not be. This is gonna drive me crazy. Theres gotta be a way around this. What if the piece isnt fully transcribed?

 

[Spearhead]

I got you, well just be sharing chords and scales. Anyways I got a version of Finale and I will have an "analysis" of the chords and scales of my slected pieces available by the end of the month. The tricky one is going to be Giant Steps because as someone mentioned the bass isnt too audible, but Im always up for a challenge.

 

[codeine]

To avoid legalities couldnt we just set up a thread where you ask for a song/s and whoever has transcribed or can transcribe the song can just mail it to the person in question.

What progam do you use to write it out.

By the way i can get teh notes but i am hopeless at converting rythym to notation.

I really dont think that i could do 5 a month but the thread is entitled 'challenge' and if asked to do 5 i might get 2 or 3 done but if asked to do 2 i might only do 1.

 

[Wrong Robot]

I couldn't see how chord charts would be illegal...because so many songs have the same chord structure, the only difference being in rhythm, so I think it would get under the law like tabs do.

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally posted by Wrong Robot
I couldn't see how chord charts would be illegal...because so many songs have the same chord structure, the only difference being in rhythm, so I think it would get under the law like tabs do.

I'm not sure - there was a French website that had all the chord charts from the Real Book - but it got shut down!!

 

[Howard K]

Now that is an interesting point.. a shame too.

moley - I mean FULL as in every separete instrument, drums, sax1, sax 2 etc... best get started

Naah, just kidding!

I'd like to see a piano/ guitar chord chart, with exact transcriptions of bass parts and horn melodies... i.e. you dont have to transcribe the horn solos in Fables of Faubus!

...but I do wat to see the outro to the last track, by Funkadelic.. it's got some great bass in it.
Know you'll dig it!

Does that sound reasonable?

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally posted by Howard K


I'd like to see a piano/ guitar chord chart, with exact transcriptions of bass parts and horn melodies... i.e. you dont have to transcribe the horn solos in Fables of Faubus!

Well - you could just buy the book that I did : "More than a Play Along - Charles Mingus" !!


This has a 5-page transcription of just that, in the book and you get CDs you can play along with, as well!!

It's a Hal Leonard, 1999 - book and 2 CDs cost me £16.95 from JazzWise - a great purchase!!

There ae 14 tunes (incl Fables of Faubus) transcribed, notes from the musicians, who play in the Mingus big band and even Mingus' bass solos trascribed.