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I LOVE/HATE - CAN'T STAND/CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT A FENDER

How Do You Feel about Fender

  • I wont play anything Else

    Votes: 52 7.9%
  • I Like them and I own and play at least one

    Votes: 418 63.8%
  • They're okay but not my favorite

    Votes: 61 9.3%
  • Not that crazy about them, but If I found a good one at a good price, I'd own it

    Votes: 39 6.0%
  • Dont' Like them but I'd play one if I had to in a pinch

    Votes: 30 4.6%
  • I hate them and would never own or play one

    Votes: 13 2.0%
  • I Like Carrots

    Votes: 34 5.2%
  • I Hate Carrots

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • Total voters
    655
Go to any concert - or watch any performance on TV - 95% chance they are playing a Fender P or J bass. Are all these hoards of artists endorsed by Fender? Likely not. So are all these professionals wrong, and playing old-fashioned clunky bolt-ons as some here have opined?

I own 3 MIA P 5's, and a '75 AVRI Jazz. All excellent to my hands' preferences. Expensive enough that I baby them when playing out, but not so boutique that I'm afraid to gig them. Perfect (to me).
 
I'm aware of Fender basses, but have never felt particularly drawn to them or repulsed by them - they're just there. It does annoy me how some folks actually discriminate against you if you don't play a P-Bass, but that's not Fender's fault.

Personally, I like the look and sound of a hollow or semi hollow bass. In both look and sound, they feel closer to the instrument that made me originally interested in playing bass - the upright.
 
Huh, I never heard of those guys before. I like it.

I agree. The only thing I'd say is that you can probably get the same sort of "meat and potatoes" from a bass with a different humbucker in the same spot as a P-bass has its pickup. However, people already are familiar with the P-bass and thus ask for it so it is what it is. It's also a great platform for maintenance, repair and modding since a billion replacement and aftermarket parts are made to Fender specs. Standards are standards for reasons like that.


FWIW, one very affordable (short scale) bass that does get some really good old vibe mojo with a single humpup in the sweet spot is the early release of the Gretsch Electromatic Junior Jet (the G2202 model) basses. The early ones came with none other than a TV Jones designed pickup(!) to give you "more thump than your dog could hump." A set of flats on one of those could get you very close to an early PBass sound if you played it with a moderately light touch.
 
Funny - I've never been 100% happy with my tone until I moved to a Fender Precision and all tube Ampeg rig. To each their own!
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Did you? Or was your tone what you or your surrounding were not used to?

My best tone comes from my Washburn M12, Ernie Ball Cobalt strings, GenzBenz Shuttle 6.0, Avalon U5 and my Mesa 4*12" modified.
This bass is straight, full sounding, growling. Perfect for Rock types music and slap sounds.

With my Ritter, i can have any classic sound i want with a ++ i can not describe.

I'm really not into classic instruments because i mostly listen to bands who creates their own sound. And most bassist i listen don't use classics instruments for this reason.
 
it seems to me there is a lot more anti Fender/anti P sentiment than for any other maker or model. I know why it is.
I remember when IMB was the big dog in the computer world. Everybody hated IBM. They had all sorts of stories going around about how IBM was crap and everything else was super, how they were overpriced, etc. etc. etc. Now, everyone hates Microsoft and I hear the same biased statements about them. It is the old envy problem. Everyone wants to bring the big guy down. Those who hated the big dogs didn't like the fact they are the standard that everyone goes to. It was once a saying that no IT manager ever got fired for choosing IMB.

Fender is and has always been the big dog among bass makers. Like choosing IBM, showing up with a Fender is always acceptable. Fender is better than many makers and, of course, there are some that are better. I don't necessarily mean custom makers. G&L (IMHO) pays more attention to detail and turns out a more consistent product. And this thread is not an argument about the relative quality of builders. It is about unrational, biased attitudes.

So le'ts talk about the quality factor perception. After CBS took over Fender, the Pre CBS instuments were considered the very best and all the CBS stuff was crap that an uncaring corporation foisted on us for an evil profit. Now those instruments are considered valuable collectables and excellent instruments. There have been other periods of the new stuff sucs and the old stuff is great as well.

There have been a lot of advancement in technology and Fender hasn't always been on the leading edge. But again, that is more a matter of what you are looking for. If you are looking for true vintage, you get a Fender Precision, string it with flats and play it through a B-15. That is vintage. As you move from that, it becomes less and less vintage.

It is certainly okay to like other makes even more because they are more suited to a style or preference, but anti-Fender fervor is irrational and unbiased.


I've had an epiphany regarding all things Fender not so long ago, and I absolutely respect all who love & enjoy Fender basses.

I also think it's silly to slam Fender or people who like/use Fender basses.

Having said that, I will admit that Fender sort of reminds me of Harley Davidson in many ways: first kid on the block, huge cult following......not a very good product for many years until Harley regained the company back in the 80's, and really turned it around.

Fender was a good product out of the gate, but set against todays standards...........maybe not so much.

Lets be honest Fender basses have always been from the beginning very basic, and the reason why there's such a huge following is because Leo's bass was the first real-world electric bass that you could plug into an amp and actually hear unlike the stand up double basses that were dragged on stage and nobody could hear.

They were revolutionary in that vain to be sure.

The reason why Fender can make the claim that it's the most recorded bass ever isn't all that amazing or special when you consider that of course it had to be - because it was the first full-on production electric bass.

If Leo Fender made his first bass in 1990 years after some cat named John Smith made the first electric bass back in 1951, then that "Smith bass" would enjoy that title, and that's just the truth, no smear to Fender at all.

The other honest to God truth here is that there are several other guitar manufacturers that make basses that absolutely destroy Fender in terms of better price, quality, sound and just about every other field you can think of - but because they're not "Fender" bass guitars they are largely dismissed by the Fender crowd and written off as pretenders.

These pretenders are amazing, and it would be nice if these brands got the true recognition they deserve, and it would also be nice if the Fender crowd finally admited that there is life after or besides Fender.
 
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Most recorded bass must be Alembic basses, secretly recorded in studio but not used live.

That my very well be the case, and it's definitely believable given Alembics amazing basses.

I wrote that based on all the slamming's & spankings I've gotten in the past from Fender folks telling me how Fender is the most recorded bass ever.

Did I actually follow up and verify it.....no, I figured these guys wouldn't write such a thing if it weren't true, and they must know the history of the bass much better that me as I am not a self described Fender aficionado.
 
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Did you? Or was your tone what you or your surrounding were not used to?

My best tone comes from my Washburn M12, Ernie Ball Cobalt strings, GenzBenz Shuttle 6.0, Avalon U5 and my Mesa 4*12" modified.
This bass is straight, full sounding, growling. Perfect for Rock types music and slap sounds.

With my Ritter, i can have any classic sound i want with a ++ i can not describe.

I'm really not into classic instruments because i mostly listen to bands who creates their own sound. And most bassist i listen don't use classics instruments for this reason.


You lost me when you mentioned "slap sounds."

But as others have said previously, to each their own. :cool:
 
That my very well be the case, and it's definitely believable given Alembics amazing basses.

I wrote that based on all the slamming's & spankings I've gotten in the past from Fender folks telling me how Fender is the most recorded bass ever.

Did I actually follow up and verify it.....no, I figured these guys wouldn't write such a thing if it weren't true, and they must know the history of the bass much better that me as I am not a self described Fender aficionado.

Neither am i, i just followed what is recording for many bands and i was surprised that recording basses and live basses were most of the time not the same.
I'm not telling Fenders are not good, but for me? No Never! Just because of all the fuzz going around. I'm not a follower.

You lost me when you mentioned "slap sounds."
But as others have said previously, to each their own. :cool:

Yep slap sounds because modern rock tone can easly makes a good slap tone.
Ho sorry, i'm french so i apologize for my language.

To each their own, yes but in france, there is a current vibe that many bass players proclaim that you're not a bass player if you don't own a Fender..... That's sad.
 
To each their own, yes but in france, there is a current vibe that many bass players proclaim that you're not a bass player if you don't own a Fender..... That's sad.

That's unfortunate. It used to be like that in the US too. But most bassists seem to have outgrown that mindset here.

Maybe if the tables were reversed, and Fender basses were built in France (and cost twice as much because of that) people here would be more inclined to argue they were absolutely essential?

It's funny how scarcity and the expense of the instrument often makes them sound "better" to some people.

(P.S. Your command of the English language is perfectly acceptable. No apology needed. :):thumbsup:)
 
I like fender designs, but none of my fender stuff is fender. My pbass is an 80s Japanese copy, and my strat, tele, and
J are all warmoth, because in the end, fender didn't have the combination of features unwanted at the same price, and it was cheaper to start from scratch than buy a fender and mod it

Edit: I do have two fender amps. A 70s vibro champ, and a 2000s concert. The concert kind of sucks. Improbably ought to sell it off
 
I've said the PBass w/flats through an Ampeg works for me and what I do specifically. I'm in a southern rock/blues/country band and that combo just fits well - and sounds pretty good in many other contexts as well. I've heard lots of bass players who have gotten fantastic tones with other types of basses through other types of rigs. It's great that we all have options! I've never seen any discrimination against non-Fender playing bassists, but maybe I don't get out much. Interestingly, nearly every local music act I've seen has bassists playing just about everything BUT Fender - however, every big act I've seen has used Fenders through Ampeg tube amps (with one exception - the bass player for Gregg Allman played Aguilar with a J Bass clone when I saw them recently). Not saying this is good/bad - just my observation.
Though I love my current PBass, I can't say I'm a Fender fan boy - I find their instruments to be widely inconsistent in terms of quality. Many are completely underwhelming in my mind. But find that right one and man, it's a great bass that sounds ridiculously good. My CS59 is awesome, but nowhere near the quality of craftsmanship as Sadowsky instruments (even Metros, which are similar in price). Like having a Ferrari and a Harley sitting in the garage...