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IBANEZ ARTCORE TONE PROBLEM SOLVED !!!

A few weeks ago I picked up a like new Ibanez Artcore AGB 140 bass. It is the thin hollow body with F holes and a single pichup.

The instrument is beautiful and really easy to play, but the sound was not too exciting, very middy, and the tone control seemed to do nearly nothing. It did not cut the sound, it just changed it a little.

I expected that it was perhaps miswired or a wire broken loose, so I took all the controls out and found it perfectly wired in the same manner as a standard P bass. Meanwhile I find that another TBer has the same problem, and as I did some 'Net research - many others as well!

At the urging of 62bass here who has the same problem, I spent a good afternoon checking, measuring and double-checking everything, and the only thing I could find that seemed weird was that the DC resistance of the pickup seemed very low - around 1.4K Ohms instead of the usual 10-15K. I happened to have another of these same pickups in my part drawer, and measured that one, and wow! it was also 1.4K ! This is very strange.

I drew up a schematic and sent it to my genius engineer, and he said that the pup impedance was so low, that it would not work properly with the standard 500K pots and 0.05 Cap!

I ordered 2 x 50K pots and installed them with the 0.22 cap he suggested and voila! The bass sounds MUCH better and the tone control WORKS! My guess is that some engineer at Ibanez had the thought to design a low-impedance pup to reduce noise, but somehow the production engineers did not get the word, and used the same pots and cap as usual. Evidently Ibanez continued to make them WRONG for the entire production life of the product. They probably did not sell well for this exact problem.

The other possible fix is to replace the pup, which was reccommended by my engineer. He says no one has every made a good low-impedance pickup. I checked out the Bartolini M34C-B - this seems the one to get, and I found a review of it that was glowing. AND - guess where the reviewer put it - in an ARTCORE BASS!!! Too strange. See the review here - [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

ANYWAY - if you have one of these fine basses, you can increase the sound quality by a huge factor by changing the pots and cap or the pickup and have a completely different bass.

My Dad got me the ASB140 for Christmas and I also want to mod it so I can use the tone control. GuitarFetish has the 50K pots, but no 0.22 caps. Would a 0.022 capacitor work? Is it possible to install a small 2-way switch and wire it for series/parallel? Thanks for the help!
 
No - That is 1/10 the proper size. It will move the roll-off frequency up by 10X, so it will not be audible. Try at a Radio Shack. You can use any .22 cap - ceramic or mylar. The voltage is not important.

Not sure what you mean about series-parallel - there is only one pickup, and the coils are not available separately.

Good luck with this - it makes a tremendous difference!
 
No - That is 1/10 the proper size. It will move the roll-off frequency up by 10X, so it will not be audible. Try at a Radio Shack. You can use any .22 cap - ceramic or mylar. The voltage is not important.

Not sure what you mean about series-parallel - there is only one pickup, and the coils are not available separately.

Good luck with this - it makes a tremendous difference!

Oh alright, I'm a noob when it comes to electronics, cap values/voltages, and all that. I thought a bass with one pickup could be wired with S/P, but I guess I was wrong lol. Thanks for clearing this up for me :D
 
I came across this thread a couple of weeks ago because I have been disappointed with the tone of my Ibanez 140. I bought it on looks - "it loooked mahvalous!" It just sounded so mid-rangy honky. I just finished doing the pots & cap mod. Thank you Bassamatic! I took it out on a gig last Saturday and so far, it sounds much better. It's warmer and more in line with what a semi hollow body should sound like. Next, some new strings and tweak the pickup height. I had tried nylon tape wound strings and a Blue Tube stomp box to try to improve the sound, but those never really helped much. I had thought of trading it in, but when I found out the new Artcores are all short scale, I balked. I can't afford an old Rivoli, so the 140 is it. If I'm still searching for tone, I won't hesitate to replace the pickup, either. The bridge offers no individual string height adjustment, so I will be looking in that direction as well. I only paid $325.00 a few years ago, so it was never a heart breaker, just an annoyance that it didn't quite sound like I wanted. New life for the Ibanez. Once again, thank you Bassamatic.
 
You are welcome! Glad to hear that this mod is still helping others.

It still amazes me that a big company like Ibanez could make such a mistake for so long. I guess it is a case where engineering didn't communicate to production properly.
 
No - they are not the same - 0.022 is 1/10 the capacitance of 0.22. You can't use one "for guitar" as they assume that the pickups are the normal 10K impedance.

You just need any kind of capacitor that is 0.022 value. There is no such thing as one that is specially for guitar. It could be ceramic or mylar or polyester type - it really doesn't matter. It seems you are in UK, so here are some links to suitable caps -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Polyester...mponents_Supplies_ET&var=&hash=item3f1f2dab76

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-of-S...al_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2ec188f39e

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-022uf-C...?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c1a680264

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K223K15X7...al_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item53f6864bc6

OK? I look forward to your good news. You did change the pots to 50K, right??
 
So a 0.22 capacitor is definitely want I want then? These are quite hard to come by, although I have now located one as well as a a 50K linear pot for the tone & a 50k audio taper pot for the volume. I hope this is right??!!

In what way does this upgrade improve the tone? Can more treble be rolled off/added than is currently possible? It would be nice to be able to roll off a fair bit more treble from time to time for deeper tones.