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Ibanez Mezzo Upgrade Path

A shot in the dark for an old thread…

I am ready to switch the pickups of my Mezzo, but I am struggling to decide whether to keep it active, or go passive. I am familiar with EMG Geezers and would go that route if passive. I am looking at either the PJAX or the PJCSX sets for active. Still undecided whether I would go with a BTS system or not.

Has anyone gone fully passive with the Geezers (no preamps)? If so, are you happy with it?

If I go active, how much do I really need either the BTS system or BCQ system to go along with the active pickups?

Thanks,
 
A shot in the dark for an old thread…

I am ready to switch the pickups of my Mezzo, but I am struggling to decide whether to keep it active, or go passive. I am familiar with EMG Geezers and would go that route if passive. I am looking at either the PJAX or the PJCSX sets for active. Still undecided whether I would go with a BTS system or not.

Has anyone gone fully passive with the Geezers (no preamps)? If so, are you happy with it?

If I go active, how much do I really need either the BTS system or BCQ system to go along with the active pickups?

Thanks,
Remember, if you go about changing pickups. You would need to dremmel the bridge pickup to widen the cavity to fit an aftermarket pickup. The length of the stock bridge pickup is a few mm short.

As for going passive, you can easily do that with just a few CTS pots and a tone cap. Leave the 4th knob as a producer switch and you’re good to go
 
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Please excuse the newbie question, I would appreciate some advice folks. I've just received my mezzo and love the scale length, weight and slim neck but the sound is certainly bright and thin. I would like to get a warmer, fatter sound and though I've read through the entire thread I'm confused - no doubt due to my lack of knowledge.

If anyone could tell me (as if explaining to a five year old) how to convert my mezzo to fully passive and achieve the sound I'm looking for I would be grateful. Is it simply a case of removing the preamp and swapping the pickups for EMG Geezers? I like flatwound strings so will be fitting them also.

I wouldn't know where to start doing this work myself so I'll be taking it to a tech but of course I need to tell him/her what I want done.

Thanks
 
I was a newbie here not that long ago, so no worries. I hope I can help. I am certainly not an expert, but I did exactly what I proposed above and I will run you through it. I apologize if this gets kind of lengthy.

Bright and thin is a good way to describe the sound I was getting. I switched to flats almost immediately after getting the bass. I have used LaBella Low Tension Flats for several years due to some arthritis in my hands. The sound improved greatly, which is what kept me from returning the Mezzo. If you know these strings, they are really nice, but they take about 3 months to fully “break in”. They are really thuddy when you first put them on, so don’t be alarmed. Now that they have broken in, they sound and feel great.

Now on to the real issue, the crappy electronics. I have had the “dynamix” pickups in another bass and really disliked them. The other issue is the preamp. No matter how you tweak the bass and treble, you can’t get the P pickup to have the same depth and warmth that a standard Fender P bass has. In addition, I am not a huge fan of active preamps. I have one in my high end Ibanez that I actually like, but it took me about 5 years to figure out all of the quirks. I like to be able to plug in, maybe adjust the tone knob slightly, and go.

I already had a set of EMG Geezer Butler’s from a previous project, but that bass was not a main gigging bass. Geezers are pretty unique for EMG as they are one of the few pickups that are passive. They do not require a battery to power them, nor do they require an onboard preamp. They are fully passive. Many people I have spoken with add a preamp with the Geezers for extra tone shaping, which would then require a battery strictly for the preamp. My experiment was to go with the passive Geezers to start. If I felt like I needed the extra tone shaping later, I could always add one of EMG’s preamps. It’s not like making it passive to start was going to cause any permanent damage.

I really like EMG pickups for several reasons, which I will lay out here in an attempt to give you confidence to do this without taking it to a tech:

1. EMG pickups come with everything. They come with pickups, tone and volume pots, input jacks, wire, etc. If you need it, they come with it. (One caveat to come later.) It does not include knobs, but I was able to reuse the Mezzo knobs.

2. These pickups are solderless. I have been practicing my soldering skills and have improved, but this is almost foolproof. If you can follow the directions to put together legos or IKEA furniture, you can do this.

3. There are enough videos online that walk you through the process. Or, if you get stuck, it is an American company that you can call and actually talk to a person.

Taking out the old stuff:
If you want to reuse all of the “stuff” you are going to take out, I would suggest having a soldering iron to simply heat up the solder and pull the wires apart. If you don’t care about saving the stuff, you can simply cut the wires.

Make sure you take the battery out first. Then, loosen the screws holding the knobs on. Loosen the nuts holding the pots in. Flip it over and take off the cavity cover. From there, I took pictures of where everything went, in case I needed to put it back. You can then start de-soldering or clipping the wires apart and remove the components. The only thing that will not come out is the input jack (I’ll explain later). Just undo the wires going to the input jack and leave it. There will be wires left that go to the pickups and one wire that goes to the bridge. Flip the bass over and use a screw driver to take out the pickups. The final wire that goes to the bridge will be the only wire left.

Optional step: I used copper foil to make sure all of the cavities were silent. Ibanez used conductive paint, but I have always liked to use foils to make sure that all electromagnetic noise is shielded. You may want to wait on shielding the pickup cavities though…

Putting in the new stuff:
Test fit the pickups. As Sonojono said, the jazz pickup cavity was just a little too small. I just used a small file and some sandpaper to clear out the 1 or 2 mm needed to make it fit. I thought about using a Dremmel, but it is so close that you will have more control simply sanding it down.

When you put in the new pickups, you can reuse the springs under the stock pickups, or a lot of people use foam. Some people even use the foam that is part of the packaging for the Geezers. Feed the wires through the holes to the rear cavity. With the big connectors, you will worry that they won’t fit. Take you time and go slow. They will fit.

In the rear cavity, put the new pots in the configuration that you want. There will only be 3 pots for the four possible holes (P volume, J volume, and tone). I put on of the old pots back in as a “dummy” knob. Check out Lee Sklar for inpiration.

Read the directions carefully and go slow. There are arrows on the connectors that need to line up. The good news is that if you mess up, nothing is going to short out and destroy your bass. You can simply take out the connector and try again.

Here is the caveat is spoke of earlier, you will need to reuse the input jack from the stock electronics. The Geezers come with a standard input jack. The Mezzo uses a barrel jack. The good news is that the new connectors go right to the barrel jack. Push them on, they will be pretty tight. That’s a good thing. Last thing, attach the bridge wire as shown on the instructions.

To check it before putting strings back on, tap on one of the pole pieces while plugged in. You can play with both volumes and the tone know to make sure they all work. If it doesn’t work, don’t panic. The beauty of the solderless system is that you can always redo it. I hope this has given you confidence, but I completely understand if you want to take it to a tech.

I know this has gotten really long, but I think it was worth it. I have no plans to add a preamp. The dummy knob and the empty battery compartment don’t bother me at all. The bass now sounds better than my MIM Fender P bass and doesn’t hurt my hands. If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate to ask.

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Thanks "jholling" I really appreciate you taking the time to post such a detailed reply. I'll consider whether I dare do it myself but even if I don't you've given me exactly what I needed and i can take it to a tech if I do decide to go that route. Thanks again.
 
Oh, just a quick extra question. Occasionally when playing I get a metallic "pop" when the E string touches the pickup pole. Is something wrong and will new pickups solve that problem? Thanks.
There’s nothing wrong with that, per se. if it’s hitting the pole while playing regular finger style, I would lower the pickup by adjusting the screws on the outside on the pickup. If you play really hard a lot, you might consider the EMG HZ pickup. It’s the same as the Geezer, but it has a flat plastic surface with no exposed pole pieces. It’s still passive and everything works just the same as described above.

A good entry point for doing your own work is to learn how to do your own set up. There are several great videos online and plenty of folks on here that will help. It requires minimal tools and will really save you a lot of money in the long run. Adjusting pickup heights is one of the steps to a good set up. That’s where I started and I wish I would have learned 30 years ago.
 
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Hello all,
I am in the process of upgrading my Mezzo. Changing all the hardware and electronics. So far I have

Bartolini Original P/Js
Kickass Bridge
VVTT bass harness
Gotoh Mini Tuners

I also want to change the nut, any suggestions where I can find a replacement TUSQ or bone nut?

TIA
Sanjiv
 
Hello all,
I am in the process of upgrading my Mezzo. Changing all the hardware and electronics. So far I have

Bartolini Original P/Js
Kickass Bridge
VVTT bass harness
Gotoh Mini Tuners

I also want to change the nut, any suggestions where I can find a replacement TUSQ or bone nut?

TIA
Sanjiv
I have not replaced the nut on my mezzo yet. However, you got me thinking about it and here it what I found.

Graphtech Nut 38 mm

I also found it on Amazon, but this link has more info. I haven’t ordered it yet, so I can’t speak on its fit and install.

I have a few other projects to finish before I order this, but I thought I’d share.
 
Hey guys I'm a guitarist and don't know or understand the world of bass electronics very well. I have a Mezzo 5 strings and I want to remove the preamp section and go passive. Should I replace the pots? I mean, are they only compatible with active preamps? (Since I see little PCBs on them). If so, should I have to replace all of them or maybe just some? (EG just the volume or blend). If I were to replace the blend pot and I wanted to keep the blend setup in passive mode (instead of having a volume for each pickup), which model should I buy? The same goes for the other pots (don't know if I should go for 250k or 500k or whatever).
Please help me! haha

I'll also replace the J Pup, probably with a Dimarzio ultra jazz.

Lastly, I would try to turn it into a Jazz bass, replacing the P pickup with also a Dimarzio ultra jazz, but I would hollow out the pickup hole by hand/drill, since I dont have the right tools haha so I don't know if it would be too crazy. The thing is, I already have a 4-string PJ bass (Sire U5) and doing so would give me a more different sound...don't know what you think about it! ahah
In case, I need to know how to calculate the exact new position of the jazz neck Pup, I mean the exact distance from the other one.
Sorry for the madness and for my bad english!
 
Hey guys I'm a guitarist and don't know or understand the world of bass electronics very well. I have a Mezzo 5 strings and I want to remove the preamp section and go passive. Should I replace the pots? I mean, are they only compatible with active preamps? (Since I see little PCBs on them). If so, should I have to replace all of them or maybe just some? (EG just the volume or blend). If I were to replace the blend pot and I wanted to keep the blend setup in passive mode (instead of having a volume for each pickup), which model should I buy? The same goes for the other pots (don't know if I should go for 250k or 500k or whatever).
Please help me! haha

I'll also replace the J Pup, probably with a Dimarzio ultra jazz.

Lastly, I would try to turn it into a Jazz bass, replacing the P pickup with also a Dimarzio ultra jazz, but I would hollow out the pickup hole by hand/drill, since I dont have the right tools haha so I don't know if it would be too crazy. The thing is, I already have a 4-string PJ bass (Sire U5) and doing so would give me a more different sound...don't know what you think about it! ahah
In case, I need to know how to calculate the exact new position of the jazz neck Pup, I mean the exact distance from the other one.
Sorry for the madness and for my bad english!
How have you made out on this? It may be a little late but check out this post in thread 'Jazz bass neck pickup in pbass location?'
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/jazz-bass-neck-pickup-in-pbass-location.1423337/#post-23095037

I’d widen the cavity of the EA side of the precision pup to fit whatever neck j pup you pick out, fill the DG side with a block of wood or fun electronics, and order a custom pickguard.
 
I’ve been lurking this thread for a while now. Learned a lot and got even worse ideas.

I replaced the stock mezzo pickups with Dimarzio DP126 and went full passive. Independent 500k vol pots with push-pulls for series/parallel. A Gibson style 3 way pickup selector switch (neck-both-bridge, use the vol pots to blend in the middle position) and a varitone style rotary capacitor switch (PTE-B) from ToneMonster. Depending on switch configurations, there’s 48 different configurations. I’m not loving the option to go parallel on the pickups so I may change the push pulls so they can drop the vol pots from 500k to 250k.

I haven’t messed with the bridge or nut yet. I want to do those at the same time. So I only have to redo or check the setup once.
 

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I absolutely love the neck of this bass but my luthier said it is of poor quality when he set it up and made it play the best it could by relief and fret file I think , My mods so far are nordstrand J blades and Nordstrand pre amp I still not able to really getting a good sound I am happy with out of this bass , I play through a Stomp xl , I still prefer the sound only of my Fender JB62M 2012 resissue stock , argh I wonder if a bone nut off eBay and hipshot and high mass bridge will help it ? feeling frustrated