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Identifying a Darkstar Pickup

Hi Everybody,

I "picked up this pickup" off of reverb understanding that it could be a Darkstar. So please forgiving words on my risky purchase.

I need help figuring this out.

Here's a link to the original posting and I can post more pictures if needed.

Can anyone shed any light on what kind of "Darkstar" this is?

Help me talkbass community, you're my only hope.

Darkstar Bass Pickup Darkstar | Reverb
 
I don't think that one of Fred Hammon's or a Hagstrom original. Iirc the black wire should be blue, and the 7.24 kOhm is also strange. A Hammon DS would be lower, and the Hags would be lower, higher, and much higher (Hag had three variants).

I think another company started making them recently. Maybe it's one of theirs.
 
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Here are some pics, Hagstrom (vintage Coronado Bass VI, with one magnet removed), Hammon DS, and a Novak DS.

I think yours is something different. Notice how yours has a solid wire soldered to the plates the poles pass through.

BS Hagstrom Coronado Bass VI.jpg
BS Hammon Dark Star.JPG
BS Novak Dark Star.jpg
 
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I mentioned I thought Hagstrom re-issued the Bisonics...I was confused, Guild RI'd the Starfire Bass and it used Hag-looking pickups.

I'd guess you MIGHT have one of these. Couldn't find a pic of the underside. But, these are 6.4 kOhms (yours is 7.24), so maybe you have something else. Of course they could change the specs and/or the DMM in your pic could be off.

BS Guild SF RI.jpg
 
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I mentioned I thought Hagstrom re-issued the Bisonics...I was confused, Guild RI'd the Starfire Bass and it used Hag-looking pickups.

I'd guess you MIGHT have one of these. Couldn't find a pic of the underside. But, these are 6.4 kOhms (yours is 7.24), so maybe you have something else. Of course they could change the specs and/or the DMM in your pic could be off.

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Yeah, I have a set of those pickups (not the bass), putting them in my darkstarcaster project. :)
 
Hmm. It is a little odd. The resistance of these pickups varies a lot so I wouldn't go off of that. I own two original BiSonics and they are like 8kohm (neck) and 14kohm (bridge). However this one doesn't have any markings like Hammon or Novak would do. What did the seller tell you? I don't think it's an original based on the copper colored center and the overall look of the metal/magnets. It looks pretty new. And at $100, I'd be surprised if they were Novaks, Hammons or BiSonics. I'd guess they are from the new Guild Reissues.

EDIT: Did you pull the magnets out to check the underside if they are marked? They should pull right off.

Here's a link my photobucket for my starfire. Lots of images of my original bisonics.

Photo by ztwatson
 
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I found a pic of a Guild SF RI pickup, and I'm pretty sure that what you have is one of those which has been re-worked. In the pic of the Guild pickup you can't really see the important stuff (upper left corner where the electrical connections are), but there are clues. The big clue is the red and black wire used for the leads on the control side of the pickup-to-leads connector. There's also a bunch of yellow stuff, there are traces of the yellow stuff on yours circled in red (see pic). And there's the hard wire soldered to the copper, but here it's on the far left next to the height adjustment spring. It's not as obvious as in your pic, but it's there.

What happened to yours?
The stock lead from the pickup with the connector on it was removed and the red and black wires were soldered directly to the pickup.
The yellow stuff may have been removed to allow access, can't say for sure.
It might have been rewound, which would explain the 7.24kOhm reading.
Or, it may have just been repaired or "modded" after someone broke the plastic connectors.

WARNING
In the pic of yours notice the red outline in the lower right corner. I believe that thin hairlike wire in the red outline is the start end of the coil. It looks like it's soldered to that little white wire, which is soldered to the black lead and hard wire coming from the plate with the poles. All that tells me that the start end of the coil (since it's grounded, and black is a common color for ground). If that hairlike wire gets snagged on something and breaks, your pickup won't work. HANDLE WIH CARE. There's no way the factory left it unprotected like that. That should be 43 awg wire which is about .00225" (2 1/4 thousandths) thick, and it will snap much easier than 42.

BS unknown.jpg
BS Guild SF RI.jpg
 
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