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IEM & pitch!

Hi everybody!

I've recently converted to IEM. Oh, I think I should start from the beginning... I became a singer a year ago. And am planning to use in-ear monitoring since day zero (which hasn't yet arrived) live. Thing is our style is very dependent on all sorts of poisonous vocals we recorded in our LP. So me and one of the guitars (who's almost constatly singing vocal harmonies) turned to IEM. We're using pretty good quality Sennheiser stuff (we have some sort of price arrangement with the Spanish distributor). And we've been doing this seriously for some 6 months now.

Lately we've recorded several rehearsals in a 2 channel mix (vocals alone + a condenser mic for hearing the band itself). And reality struck us. We (most noticeably me) were singing a tad sharp all the time. We have 2 separate buses on the mixing board so initially we were having our own vocals, later mixed all voices. We just suposed we weren't getting enough instrument (mostly guitars) sound, so lowered our levels and just a couple rehearsals ago we added the signal from another mic, positioned towards the "guitar zone". Now it seems more comfortable but are constantly adjusting mixes because things look way more critical than we assumed way back now. Does it allways have to be this tough to find the right point?

We're planning the acquisition of a 4 bus mixer with 16 XLR inputs for using both for rehearsing and live, in which each of us will build his own mix of ALL the channels (and we have the 4th. bus for recording). But there's still a long way to go for that.

I've googled around A LOT once and again and the only piece of information I got was this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090514015135AAbBwtq
(mostly discussed in question and 1st. answer)

Incredibly, this phenomenon of pitch perception changes with IEM doesn't seem to be too covered. I know there's lots of competent people on the subject of live monitoring here in TB, so please, I'd lovingly welcome any piece of advice, any tip or trick you can give me on the subject.

Thanx SO MUCH!

P/D: By the way, check out www.bittermambo.com to have an idea of the sort of work (and noise) we are committed to. E-mail me if you want the whole CD (14 songs in little over 36 minutes) in high quality MP3.
 
Thanks a lot guys. Thought so, just wanted to be sure I was going the right route. Let me tell you what we did yesterday. We did some makeover of our rehearsal space (we were sharing it with another band and now they're gone). So, after physically rearranging our space we started from scratch with the 2 monitor mixes we're using so far. Bass is always heard (a lot, everywhere!) so we didn't even bother putting it in. We put a mic for the rhythm guitar (the other one using IEM) and another one for the bass drum (which also happens to pick up quite some amount of sound from the remaining drums and cymbals). We did the mix with just that and our vocals. Results were outstandingly better than previously. The physical rearrangement consisted basically in me moving away from the drummer. Thing is I had suffered lots of hearing fatigue due to the hi-hat being to close to me (it also made it really hard for me to hear the guitars properly).

Besides IEMs, we use a pretty standard Yamaha mixing board + 500W power amp + 2 15"+horn cabs for dealing with the vocals when rehearsing (mostly for the drummer and lead guitarist as IEMs don't let much of that sound come in). As we can't convince our lead guitarist to go in-ear, we also put his mic signal thru an active wedge monitor and then to the main board, which improved his sensation (and tunning!) a lot too.

So, we sorta' have a mix now for IEMs and were more comfortable than ever last evening with it. I'll keep you updated.

Thanx again everybody!

P/S: Sorry MNAirHead, what do you mean by "hardwired systems" (sorry, my english's not that technical -use the word a lot for software programming but ignore its use for sound-),. Thank you!
 
andruca

I JUST did a recording like you're describing (about 3 hours ago)

Rest of the band went though the aux mixes..

I went through rolls PM351.. I had the ability to crank my personal mix and not have to get any alteration from the board.. both my bass and vocals went through this box.

Hard wired = Cables (not one of the silly wireless systems I own)

For about $90 USD per person, you can get the control in the hands of the user.

I've learned that when under the "IEM microscope" folks tend to go sharp/flat and then are more accurate on the eventual tone.

One of the suggestions is to have the folks practice with IEM (small mixers etc).. it does take a ton of getting used to.

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Only other option is to spend a ton of dialing in individual mixes at the board.. unfortunately from song to song the level request may change x the number of members.
 
andruca..... Encanto su musica

Oh, really? Drop me a line at [email protected] and I'll send you a link with the whole CD.

I'm familiar with the kind of gadget you're talking about. In fact I have a Rolls headphone amp which has 2XLR (input + thru) and 1 jack input and a separate volume for each input (2 knobs). The 3 channel's cool but not enough for the amount of stuff we need to mix (so far 3 vocals + guitar + kick drum). Of course we could always have own vocal + band mix + one certain instrument in particular. That'd give us some independence but still would need to have a previous band mix done at the main desk. I'll think of it. Really appreciate the suggestion. Thanx!
 
Every user gets their own sub mixer or PM351..



Mixed monitor singals are sent to the PM351..

Your instruments and vocals go through the PM351 to the mixer...Send signals are sent clean through to the board..

The user can boost/cut their own instrument and vocals in their own PM351.

Some recording mixers can do this also.

IF you sent me the rolls model number you're using, we may be able to figure out a different solution.

Tim

The other option is a recording mixer -- these commonly have 4-8 individual monitor mixes.