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IEM Transmitter, XR18, Snake Splitter setup?

That's exactly why panning is useful. It really helps your brain separate what's going on. The difference between two guitars right down the midde versus panned slightly left and slightly right is huge.

Thanks. I acknowledged that I understand that this is useful and important for some and that it's something that I would have to try to really form a hard comparative opinion on. I understand what the purpose of using stereo balance is. Maybe this discussion will make me more interested to give it a try, and I'll find that that it makes a meaningful difference for me...maybe I'll find it doesn't. Until I do try it, the value or benefit for me is unknown.

People can have different preferences and can process and react differently. It's perfectly valid for you to say that something helps or is a huge difference for you or even that it helps or is a huge difference for most people...that doesn't necessarily mean that the same is true or significant for me. For example, a comment above by @Wasnex was "it's far more important for everyone to have the ability to dial in "more me."" The operative part of that is "the ability", which also means the option to *not* have more me. I don't deny that anyone else finds benefit in having their own levels ride on top in their ears. I simply don't find that is a benefit for me. I prefer to have things blended and at fairly even levels because of the way my mind works; I am comfortable hearing and taking in a whole that's similar to what I imagine FOH is like as I play. I'm very mildly agnostic about the personal benefit of stereo balance because, in the mix that I'm completely accustomed to and satisfied with, I know and can hear what my part of that whole is, so going to balance is sort of a solution in search of a problem. Very different from what I'm aware that others do, for vocals, I prefer to hear everyone else at roughly the same level and then myself at a slightly lower level. My bass, I just want to be able to clearly hear it...not above everything else, just part of the whole that can be heard. It may or may not be the same as what other people do, but I very intentionally balance the overall level and mix of my ears with what bleeds through and what can be felt from FOH, my amp, and the overall stage sound. Having things more clearly separated or standing out can affect the way I play and sing. Because of the way my mind works, too much me in my ears (even though it's not what's in FOH) can cause me to pull back...not enough me can cause me to dig in more than I'd want or over-sing. Someone else can process differently and not react the same way.
 
So I've ordered a Phenyx Pro PTM-10 single channel stereo IEM transmitter and receiver unit, as well as a Phenyx Pro PTM-22 dual mono IEM transmitter and receiver unit. The reviews that were out there were positive, but I'll make sure to update this thread once I get some time with them!

Very interested to hear your update
 
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So the Phenyx Pro PTM-10 single channel stereo IEM transmitter and receiver came as well as the PTM-22 dual channel mono IEM transmitter and receiver.

If you're the type that likes nice external hardware, "fit and finish", the feeling of "quality", and things like that, then these units are not for you. They scream budget, loudly, with respect to things like that.

Additionally, the body backs don't inspire confidence in terms of durability. You wouldn't want to drop or fall on the body packs.

That being said, the actual audio performance was very solid IMO. I have zero experience with other IEMs, and so I can't compare these relative to any other IEMs, but compared to other things like bluetooth headphones, studio headphones, studio monitors, hi-fi home stereo, and other various music listening devices, the PTM-10 and PTM-22 seemed solid. I tested both the PTM-10 and the PTM-22 with a pair of KZ ZS10 Pro IEM earbuds playing studio recordings, checking mics, and playing my bass by itself noodling around as well as playing my bass to backing tracks.

All in all I'm pretty happy with the audio quality. The bass response was pretty damn good. Signal was pretty clean with a good bit of headroom. Everything integrated pretty easily with my XR18, X Air Edit software, and Garageband, as well as my bass amp DI and the Microphones.

I messed around a bit with the stereo of the PTM-10, running backing track just in one ear and my bass in both and I'm honestly not totally convinced of the utility of stereo. I haven't actually used these in a rehearsal or live yet however. Considering the PTM-10 single channel stereo unit is $220 while the PTM-22 dual channel mono unit is $250, it seems like the better value option when trying to equip a band on a budget, especially considering limited outputs on the digital mixer (the XR18 has only 8 outputs total, so at most 4 stereo mixes, and one of those very well might be taken up by the mains), is just to get two PTM-22s and let everyone just turn themselves up in their own mono mix.

Quick review on the KZ ZS10 Pro IEM earbuds. Similar to their chinese Phenyx Pro PTM brethren, build quality, ergonomics, "feel", and attention to detail are lacking. But also similar to the Phenyx Pro units, the audio quality is simply there, and is simply good. They perform well for the cost. Definitely one of the most detailed sounding earbuds I've listened to in a while.

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I messed around a bit with the stereo of the PTM-10, running backing track just in one ear and my bass in both and I'm honestly not totally convinced of the utility of stereo.

In my last band I liked to put one guitarist in one ear and the other in the other ear. Drums and bass stayed centered. Helped me to hear them better and myself better and identify who was playing what and hear it clearly while playing. I liked it a lot honestly. I think it sounded better than everybody being centered. I knew who to give the stinkeye, I know who to give a big smile to. It's far from impossible to tell who's who with a mono signal though.

If I were in your shoes with the equipment you've chosen, I'd stick with mono signals for the band and personal monitor mixes. I want to hear everybody.. but I need to hear myself cleanly. After spending a month or two asking the owner of the M32 our band was using to adjust my mix where nobody was playing and when I said "play something" they didn't play as loudly as they do when the drums are hitting, and then him adjusting the wrong person's mix or barely nudging what I want to hear more or less of, having to ask him to get up, walk back over to the mixer because my mix still isn't right...getting my personal mixer was a no brainer, when I got the second one and we downsized to a 3 piece we never had those discussions ever again. Drummer set his mix at the board, we set ours via the p16s. I might point out when a pedal drowned people out but I can fix that on the fly (harder to do with a smartphone maybe) and talk about it later.

There's just too much convenience in eliminating the conversations about volume levels. No more volume wars. Just plug in, tune up, play.

At least, that's my opinion anyway. If you funded this, I think you've done your part. If people want stereo mixes they can buy their own transmitter, and if you're out of room for them on the mixer, they'll probably need something like a p-16m to make use of it.
 
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You got me thinking about it and I finally plugged the XR18 I've been sitting on for months in. I'm so glad I bought this thing. I wanted an X32 really badly. Even more so after my experience with the last band using a Midas M32 but could never justify the size or the expense. Way more inputs than I'd ever need.

Once I started researching the XR18 I was immediately sold. Already owned a laptop, enough mics for a 4 piece band. A couple p-16's. My next band is in for a treat. I never thought I'd say this about a Behringer product, but these X series mixers are pretty amazing.

I might jsut add an x-touch midi contoller to the setup one day down the road after I get some financial obligations behind me.
 
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Awesome setup! Very clean. I'd love to see how you arranged things in the back.
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Two pictures I snapped Monday after practice.

Coiled on the floor of the case is the snake that will provide everything for FOH.
The topmost 1U is for power delivery. There is one mains cable going out of the unit and everything comes to life when you flick the switch. Especially with the placement of the X-Air 18's power switch, this feature is a handy one.
 
Keep in mind that there are different types of splitters: A splitter snake is one stage box with 2 tails such as this. And a rackmount splitter is a box on a rack that you connect directly into, such as this. And a combo of the 2 such as this.

If you do need a stage snake to run from the stage to your mixer then I recommend a splitter snake like the 1st one I linked above. If you don't need a snake, because the mixer will be on stage and you will plug everything directly to it, then you might just want a rackmount splitter like the 2nd one I linked above. (I don't see the point of the rackmount snake.) Between the 1st and 2nd choice, the 1st will give you more flexibility on larger stages. The second is less flexible, but cheaper.
I disagree with the 1st option being more flexible personally the rack splitters are able to let you use different snake lengths or a combination of a short and long snake mixed with individual cables or anything to you need for example the stage doesn't have all of its stage drops centrally located, unless you had a massively long fantail on your split snake you'd be screwed. Another thing to consider is the split snakes usually do not have ground lifts or transformer isolation on them just my 2 cents.
 
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I messed around a bit with the stereo of the PTM-10, running backing track just in one ear and my bass in both
Yeah, that's not the way to use stereo. Unless the backing track is stereo and you keep it stereo to your ears with your bass up the middle. Typically, using a stereo mix for IEMs means panning certain individual sources. Like guitar 1 to the left and guitar 2 to the right.

The real test will be in live use in an RF saturated environment.
 
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Yeah, that's not the way to use stereo. Unless the backing track is stereo and you keep it stereo to your ears with your bass up the middle. Typically, using a stereo mix for IEMs means panning certain individual sources. Like guitar 1 to the left and guitar 2 to the right.

The real test will be in live use in an RF saturated environment.
Yes I agree bass, kick, and snare are usually mixed center I usually don't hard pan things. Depending on the source backing tracks keys and effect send will sometimes get hard panned but I do maybe a 60/40 blend or 75/25 depending on the instruments like guitars, toms, cymbal overheads ect.
 
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