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If only I knew then what I know now...

After 20 years of gigging, there are two rules I live by when I gig:

1) When you gig, play your best gig ever, Give nothing less then 100%.
2) Appreciate and enjoy the moment.

Realize that it is not a given fact that there wil be a next gig. Things happen you know. Band might fall apart due to whatever; people get sick, people move because of jobs etc.
 
Be wary of band mates with limited sense of sonic space so much so, that the bass guitar nearly becomes an accessory to the band's sound:

1) guitar players who insist on bass heavy tone

2) keyboard players who insist on 7-10 finger chords and throw in bass lines

There have been many threads/posts on how the tone of each instrument should serve the music and the band as a whole rather than on how an individual thinks his instrument "should" sound.

It's understood that each bass player/band member can have a "unique" signature tone that should not be totally changed. What also should be understood is that with a e.q. little tweaking, each member of the band can be balanced in the mix so that the band's tone in and of itself becomes a "signature" as well.
 
If you're seeking advice on TB always take a moment to consider if what you read applies to your situation and your goals.

Even if we probably all play bass (there are some posters on TB that I suspect are actually undercover guitards trolling with us :ninja:) we are a diverse lot when it comes to our approach to music and playing, as well as to what kind of gigs we do.

There are many extremely valuable tips in this thread, especially considering equipment, setup, sound etc., while there are other pieces of advice that would probably have killed off both my main bands that have been happily gigging, recording and having lots of fun for 20+ years now.

Reading some of the posts here I almost feel happy that I've never aspired to play bass for a living...
 
Don't put up with players who use practice as just that-practice.(meaning they don't touch their instruments except during band practice)Hate that.




YUP make sure EVERYONE understands that practice is what YOU do alone, at home. When the band comes together that is time for REHEARSAL. This is when you run thru everything exactly as it will be when you gig. REHEARSAL is NOT the time to spend working on songs, unless it's small changes, It IS time to polish your act and perfect your show. Treat it like a unpaid GIG.Rehearse load in set up the show, the tear down and load out. Too many things are missed when you actually get to the gig because "nobody" thought of that.
 
Lot of excellent points here.

Here's a good one.
We know on this forum that the bass rules. We have the power. But DON'T TELL THE OTHER BAND MEMBERS. They will never agree. Oh, once in a while you'll run across an unusually perceptive bandleader or engineer who will admit it without any prompting. And when this happens, it's very satisfying. (Try not to agree too emphatically!) But it's no use trying to convince people who haven't come to the realization on their own. It just annoys them. So don't rub their noses in it. All we can do is sit back, revel privately in our power, and welcome the enlightened as they reveal themselves.
 
1. Rehearsal space/setup
We never had enough space to set up like you would on a stage (straight across), so we ended up playing in a circle, facing inward - with our amps behind us - firing away at our own ankles and straight at the guy across from us. What a clusterfudge. No wonder we couldn't hear ourselves, resulting in the dreaded Volume Wars...I would tell myself to tilt those freaking amps back like monitors and save everybody from the head-splitting volume.

I know not everyone has the gear to do this but I went ahead and miked the guitar amps and ran em through my floor wedges so my guitards would get used to the idea of hearing themselves that way instead of turning up their amps and fighting each other. They still play way too loud but at least they are only blistering their own ears instead of deafening all of us. It also let me dial in a separate monitor mix for each member, which really helps the vocals shine in the mix. If you are going to use monitors at practice make sure you have one for the drummer! Since I got him a powered speaker with his own mix our changes are so much tighter. Being able to hear the vocals is important for everyone, not just the singers.

Another point that I would like to add is that unless everyone listens to each other its not a band, just a bunch of people who happen to be playing the same song.
 
And, along the line of not using paying gigs for practice, keep your tuning, noodling, pre-gig practice to a minimum and at a low low volume except for a final soundcheck. And your final soundcheck does not have to be 3 minutes long either. This applies before the gig, between songs, and between sets.

Last gig I did was in a small restaurant patio area. The keyboardist set up and immediately started practicing and figuring out some changes at a fairly loud volume. He also played between tunes sometimes and between sets. All while customers were eating dinner.

No one wants to hear you tune, figure out some changes that you should know anyway on stage, and spend five minutes adjusting your tone and/or hear 3 or 4 instruments playing all kinds of different things unrelated to the other with the vocalist constantly going, ah, check, test, yelling in the mic to turn in up, whatever. You can silently tune for that matter. :crying:

One of my biggest pet peeves, and when I see other bands do this, yuck! Pros do not do this on stage. They quickly set up, often well ahead of time, take a quick break, and then they are introduced or enter the stage, and either immediately start playing and/or introduce themselves and they go right into the first tune.
 
Wow

Great thread.
A lot of wisdom here.
I wish I had much of the advice on this thread, 30 years ago.


Watch words from musicians as bad people : parole, fix, pending charges, hot gear, bankrupt, sentence, lend me some dough until---

Do not deal with anyone who does not / will not wear underwear at rehearsals or shows up to a gig with none on.
(can you say "Shut down for obscenity?")
 
Just because you start talking doesn't mean that someone is listening.

Things to look for:

1) Watch their body language (are they paying attention?, are they reading? looking off into the distance? have a scowl on their face? folded arms, tapping their foot?).

2) Do they try to interrupt you with their own statements, comments, questions or observations, as if they didn't hear you?

3) When they respond: did they listen to your statements, comments, questions or observations? or do they respond as if they were thinking about their response while you were talking and complete ignored the last half of what you said?

4) Do they try to change to focus/topic of the conversation to divert your attention so they don't have to answer for some transgression? Do they attempt to turn the conversation back on you and get you to try and defend yourself?

What you can do:

1) Stop talking and ask them what problems they are having with what you are saying?

2) Ask them to let you finish your thoughts before they start talking. You'll do the same for them.

3) Ask them to repeat what was said or their understanding of what was said.

4) Repeat your thoughts briefly and ask them to respond directly. If they don't respond directly, ask them why.

5) When the other party makes observations, comments, statement or ask questions, ask them what the basis is for their thoughts. "Why are you asking me that?" Why is it important? Why is it important to you?
If you don't want to answer, politely decline. That's your right, same as it's their right to speak out and comment or question. Free speech works both ways.

6) If the conversation does go into a different direction, you can make a mental note or even state verbally that you'll get back to the main topic. Or you can ask that the new topic be deferred until the current topic is resolved.

7) If others want to express themselves freely but want you to restrict your comments, questions, observations and statements, you'll see it, point it out and then respond accordingly. Ask them why they don't want to listen to you. I have seen this many times where someone calls on the phone, goes into a rant, then when the listener starts talking, all of a sudden, the caller has to go. Sometimes they really do have to go, most of the time, IME, they really don't want to hear what you have to say because they just wanted to dump on you to get their anger out and once that's done, they move on, leaving you with all the crap they just let go of. If it happens more than once, call them on it and next time, politely tell them you have to go and next time lets talk about something else other than the callers problems. See how they respond then. React accordingly.

For all of the above, I suggest you remain calm, cool, and collected. It will drive high anxiety people nuts and allow them to show their true selves. For other people who appreciate civility, it will reinforce the notion that you are someone who can carry on a productive discussion.

Respond accordingly.

It takes some practice to get all the above in your brain to the point of actually being aware of what's happening in real time. Mindfullness is a state of being that has many proponents. With time and practice, awareness becomes second nature.

There are many books written on this stuff but this is how I conceptualize these type of situations for myself. YMMV
 
Chiming in here as one of the world's responsible drinkers:

I like to have a drink before a gig. I am not an alcoholic, and never drink at home (not even beer or wine). But I will have a drink at a club, and it does not impact my performance at all.

There's some talk in this thread that makes being in a band sound like going to a 9-5 government job. I see it a bit differently. A gig is supposed to be a social event too, and I like to socialize a bit with the people who have come to the gig before the show. In most cases, this means letting them buy me a drink.

On the other hand, I have zero tolerance for band members who get DRUNK before a gig or a rehearsal. Drummers seem to be the worst offenders in my experience.

I'm simply stating that there is a big difference between having a single drink before a gig and getting plastered. Some of the "one beer, and you're fired" responses in this thread seem way overboard in my opinion.
 
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Things to look for:

1) Watch their body language (are they paying attention?, are they reading? looking off into the distance? have a scowl on their face? folded arms, tapping their foot?).

2) Do they try to interrupt you with their own statements, comments, questions or observations, as if they didn't hear you?

3) When they respond: did they listen to your statements, comments, questions or observations? or do they respond as if they were thinking about their response while you were talking and complete ignored the last half of what you said?

4) Do they try to change to focus/topic of the conversation to divert your attention so they don't have to answer for some transgression? Do they attempt to turn the conversation back on you and get you to try and defend yourself?

Haha...am I not alone in this reminding me of a disagreement with the missus?

Great advice throughout this thread tho. For my part I'd have to reiterate stuff about people who are unwilling to try other peoples' suggestions out, be it on the music side or how the band operates, & get narky when an alternative decision is passed fairly by the majority. This is a sign of ego problems & there will be trouble ahead. Some people are prepared to work like this, particularly if said ego maniac is especially 'gifted' & is seen as the person that success hinges on - history is full of just those types. Personally I've worked in these circumstances & hated it enough to leave, set up my own thing again & enjoy playing & creating in a band.

The golden rule has to be enjoy yourself, otherwise it's just not worth it.