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I read some but not all of this thread.

These days, post 9-11, everyone should be accepting security measures, not challenging them.

My other comment is - if you are going into a store to Shop, do you really need to bring a significant bag with you? How about a wallet/purse and that's it?
 
These days, post 9-11, everyone should be accepting security measures, not challenging them.

That's a slippery slope, we should always question. Question what we've been taught, what we're told, question the authority, questions rules, question policies.

And as for your other point, I'm a student, I don't own a car. It is necessary for me to carry a container of some sort where I go. Same goes for people who walk, bike, etc. as their means of transport.
 
That's a slippery slope, we should always question. Question what we've been taught, what we're told, question the authority, questions rules, question policies.

And as for your other point, I'm a student, I don't own a car. It is necessary for me to carry a container of some sort where I go. Same goes for people who walk, bike, etc. as their means of transport.

And if your questions lead to answers that support the practice, then support it.
 
SBassman said:
I read some but not all of this thread.

These days, post 9-11, everyone should be accepting security measures, not challenging them.

My other comment is - if you are going into a store to Shop, do you really need to bring a significant bag with you? How about a wallet/purse and that's it?

on the "post 9-11" part I couldn't disagree more...
on the rest, I carry a large messenger bag with me everywhere. some days its full, some days nearly empty. what's in it is my business.
 
I read some but not all of this thread.

These days, post 9-11, everyone should be accepting security measures, not challenging them.

My other comment is - if you are going into a store to Shop, do you really need to bring a significant bag with you? How about a wallet/purse and that's it?
Just to bring some folks up to speed, and not specifically directed at you: There are places in the country where people get around a lot by bike, bus, on foot, etc. Even when we drive somewhere, parking can be some distance from our destination. And we have all of our stuff, such as layers of clothing, crap for our kids, electronic devices, etc. This is probably typical in most places where there is decent public transit. In my locale, it is not an uncommon sight for regular people to have backpacks. Plus some freaks, but freaks tend to be harmless. ;)

Retailers seem willing to accommodate this. As I've mentioned above, I walk into stores all the time with my backpack. Yesterday, I got dropped off downtown with the kids. While they were busy with their activity, I had some time to kill, and went off on foot to a bank, a coffee shop, etc. Nobody batted an eye at my backpack. There was no infrastructure or personnel at any shop for dealing with my backpack. I have no idea if any store had a "policy."

It's a pleasant lifestyle, indicative of a culture that is one reason why I want to continue living in Madison. I like it. Some folks are really creeped out by it, and prefer to live elsewhere.

So, that's the status quo. Those who wish to challenge the status quo, for instance by prohibiting backpacks in stores, are the ones whose task is to show that they have thought about the practical consequences.

All of the "what's so hard about" questions seem to be a debate tactic intended to pass off the burden of proof onto the other person.
 
Just to bring some folks up to speed, and not specifically directed at you: There are places in the country where people get around a lot by bike, bus, on foot, etc. Even when we drive somewhere, parking can be some distance from our destination. And we have all of our stuff, such as layers of clothing, crap for our kids, electronic devices, etc. This is probably typical in most places where there is decent public transit. In my locale, it is not an uncommon sight for regular people to have backpacks. Plus some freaks, but freaks tend to be harmless. ;)

Retailers seem willing to accommodate this. As I've mentioned above, I walk into stores all the time with my backpack. Yesterday, I got dropped off downtown with the kids. While they were busy with their activity, I had some time to kill, and went off on foot to a bank, a coffee shop, etc. Nobody batted an eye at my backpack. There was no infrastructure or personnel at any shop for dealing with my backpack. I have no idea if any store had a "policy."

So, that's the status quo. Those who wish to challenge the status quo, for instance by prohibiting backpacks in stores, are the ones whose task is to show that they have thought about the practical consequences.

All of the "what's so hard about" questions seem to be a debate tactic intended to pass off the burden of proof onto the other person.

Exactly. To be honest, areas around Knox that have a lot of walking traffic tend to be very cool and laid back about this sort of thing and wouldn't dare ask to look in someone's bag unless it was absolutely necessary. Not to mention that schools tend to be pretty cool with people walking around with backpacks on a more than regular basis ;)
 
Guys....is this really worth 15 pages of back-and-forth over what someone(s) feel about checking bags? Geeezus It's not that big a deal.
Look at it this way -we all have different perspectives, different life experiences, and therefore are going to look at a given situation differently. What's the goal behind trying to pound someone else into "compliance"? Just accept that someone may feel different. No harm in that...dayum..
 
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