guy n. cognito said:
Sure you can. Everything is negotiable. I'll bet that a lot of stores have written policies that they enforce selectively.
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If you walk into a store
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Sure you can. Everything is negotiable. I'll bet that a lot of stores have written policies that they enforce selectively.
If you choose not to abide by a store policy, then you can expect to be denied entry. You may negotiate otherwise, but the expectation is not there.
guy n. cognito said:
Of course. As I mentioned above, I'm not entitled, merely empowered. This morning I have already gone into three shops and a public building, and walked past a police officer, with my backpack. Nobody freaked out.
first...Guy is absolutely right about the distinction between what the Gov't can/cannot do & what a private company/individual can/cannot do with regard to entry onto their own property (although gov'ts have gotten much stricter about such things, ie metal detectors etc for entry into federal and local gov't buildings)
second... to Jauqo....no, they are NOT assuming you are going to steal anymore than airports assume every person who comes in is going to bomb a plane & thus, make them all go through metal detectors.
the airports just want to stop those who ARE going to bomb a plane.
the store just wants to make it more difficult for those who ARE going to steal.
instead of getting butthurt, you should welcome the policy because such policies help keep prices down.
second... to Jauqo....no, they are NOT assuming you are going to steal anymore than airports assume every person who comes in is going to bomb a plane & thus, make them all go through metal detectors.
the airports just want to stop those who ARE going to bomb a plane.
the store just wants to make it more difficult for those who ARE going to steal.
instead of getting butthurt, you should welcome the policy because such policies help keep prices down.
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I think it's an issue of reading comprehension.
You always have the option to decline and with that are prepared to shop elsewhere. The store owner has the option to allow you in the store or not. I've gone to the Guitar Center on 14th Street in NYC and they ask to check your bag, I say no and I walk right in. If they say you cannot come in, I say fine and go elsewhere.
Nor should they. No one is talking about "freaking out", rather a reasoned and publicly stated store policy that does not allow backpacks.
I spent the morning running errands with my kids, legally carrying a firearm. Nobody freaked out AND I avoided a handful of private properties around here that forbid the practice. Everybody wins.
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This is a misconception, anyone they search is possibly a suspect which is why they search them, also known as "leaving no stone unturned".
I think it's an issue of reading comprehension.
You got that angry guy thing down pat.
It's more security theater than anything else. It's not a misconception; the process is more a deterrent. And, since we aren't allow to profile those that may be terrorists, we have to search everyone.
Again, this I would have no problem with. It's the stores that leave my bag unattended/out in the open that I don't like, not to mention the snotty attitude they give me 99% of the time. And just for the record the 3 places by my house that do this constantly are big chain stores (Tops, Dollar General, and Family Dollar). These stores seem to take every measure to deter shoplifting, but take zero measures to ensure that my things are secure.
For what it's worth, these stores are in a fairly nice neighborhood. Now there is a Wal-Mart which doesn't ask me to leave my bag with them, and everyone in Erie refers to it as "the ghetto Wal-Mart." One day I walked out with my backpack, set off the alarm, and the receipt-checker just waved my thru.
guy n. cognito said:
In your case, you could get arrested or maybe even shot. In my case, they can only ask me to leave, and re-shelve their merchandise. But it's a non issue at the stores where I shop.
Well, someone who ignores a clearly stated "no backpack" rule and makes entry anyway could be charged with trespassing and subject to arrest in many municipalities.
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Please don't let this get out in public, I like my marriage the way it is.
Summed up my opinion is no different than most people on both sides of the fence, if you don't like the policy, use your ultimate power. The consumer has the power, but complaining or being offended to me is just plain childish. Without saying "it's the principle of it" what could be in your bag that you are hiding? I have a young friend that carries around coloestomy bags. He'd laugh.
If there weren't aholes in the world stealing stuff, this wouldn't be a topic. Focus your attention on them, not responsible business owners trying to make a profit, which helps shareholders, which helps the economy, and usually helps fund retirements for many of us with a 401K.
Fair question, but answer this one- what ever happened to the agreement in our society that one person won't eff with another person? It's DEAD, that's what happened to it.
Ever seen a woman in a store who became more pregnant, the longer she stayed? I have and her accomplices were busy filling duffle bags at the same time.
The only way to completely stop shoplifting is to make every customer stay in a waiting area and keep them out of the store, then have a store employee shop for them. It won't stop shrinkage because that can come from dishonest employees but it would stop customers from stealing.
I have not mentioned a "right" but a condition of doing business with (working for) me. I am not entitled, but merely empowered.
Whatever those parties want to negotiate.
I care about the plight of B&M stores. I shop online mainly for variety and convenience.
How much privacy do you expect to have when you're in someone else' place of business? Other than digging in your pockets, listening to/bugging your phone calls/texts and eavesdropping on your conversations, what's left? If you bring something into someone's store, they have a right to protect their investment in that store, whether it's the inventory, fixtures, staff or reputation.
Ever ask a local B&M to find out if they can special order things they don't stock, but you have found online? Some will do it, some won't. Variety is expensive.
Empowered? Really? You have been listening to too many politicians.
From Dictionary.com,
"1. to give power or authority to; authorize, especially by legal or official means: I empowered my agent to make the deal for me. The local ordinance empowers the board of health to close unsanitary restaurants.
2. to enable or permit: ex., Wealth empowered him to live a comfortable life. "
Thinking that you should be able to do something is self-empowerment and that implies no agreement with anyone, about anything. It's nothing more than deciding that you can do something. Unfortunately, criminals feel the same way.
My expectations are based on my experience. I've been pampered. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I like it, and would be disappointed if it changed. Nobody has ever searched my backpack in a store. So far I haven't suggested interfering with their right to do business as they choose, so long as they don't break the law. I doubt their fixtures or staff would fit in my backpack.
Re your other post, it's my understanding that most shrinkage involves the employees. That's one reason why the highest concentration of security cameras in a typical WalMart (for example) are directly above the cash registers. Those cameras simultaneously record the video image and the data stream from the register.
Many of the fiddles involve a customer as an accomplice. The employee loads expensive stuff into a box from something cheap, like diapers, then the customer buys it and walks out the door with it. There's a fiddle where the cashier has a bar code for a super cheap item glued to the palm of her hand. Another fiddle is charging the customer for a less expensive product. That's why they have the goth kid at the door of Guitar Center checking your receipt. The cashier could have checked your receipt, but they don't trust the cashier.
I recently made my most expensive musical purchase ever at a local shop. On another occasion I had a local store order a music stand for me, because his list price was the same as online, and I wanted him to have the business. Those two shop owners happen to be musicians whom I gig with. It turns out that special orders aren't a huge deal, because there are some intermediary suppliers who can get practically anything for a music store.
I walk or ride my bike to the nearby supermarket or hardware store, though they are "upscale," because I value living in a pedestrian neighborhood.
Other things like electronic parts for my business have to be ordered online because there is no local source.
As for my use of the term "empowered," whatever. My words were not too hard to understand, and in any event, English is a living language. And a luxury of being a lifelong straight ticket voter is that I don't ever have to listen to politicians.
Please don't let this get out in public, I like my marriage the way it is.
Summed up my opinion is no different than most people on both sides of the fence, if you don't like the policy, use your ultimate power. The consumer has the power, but complaining or being offended to me is just plain childish. Without saying "it's the principle of it" what could be in your bag that you are hiding? I have a young friend that carries around coloestomy bags. He'd laugh.
If there weren't aholes in the world stealing stuff, this wouldn't be a topic. Focus your attention on them, not responsible business owners trying to make a profit, which helps shareholders, which helps the economy, and usually helps fund retirements for many of us with a 401K.
Aaaaaah.... Logic and reason, where have you been????? It's nice to see you again. You should swing by here more often.
There is a store near me that punches me in the testicles every time I go in. It's the store policy, and they're upfront about it. You walk in, you get sacked. Period. It's how they roll.
Now, I dislike getting sack-tapped as much as the next dude, so I make a point to not go in. I don't complain about their store policy because no matter how much it goes against my personal beliefs about how a business should run, I have no right to tell them how to do it. Eventually, if enough people avoid this place, I figure they'll just go out of business.
Silly example aside, you know their policy is to search bags, doesn't it seem easier not to bring a bag in there? How is that difficult?
Or was this thread just another fine example of Jauqo being picked on for "no reason"?
Now, I dislike getting sack-tapped as much as the next dude, so I make a point to not go in. I don't complain about their store policy because no matter how much it goes against my personal beliefs about how a business should run, I have no right to tell them how to do it. Eventually, if enough people avoid this place, I figure they'll just go out of business.
Silly example aside, you know their policy is to search bags, doesn't it seem easier not to bring a bag in there? How is that difficult?
Or was this thread just another fine example of Jauqo being picked on for "no reason"?
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