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Double Bass Interesting find, older laminate

BASSDROID

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Over the course of my career in music retail I have kind of become a go to guy for people who want to unload double basses.

I just picked this one up today. It belonged to a friend who is downsizing in retirement. He let me have it a no charge, since he never learned to play it. He had taken it in trade years ago for an old piano and it just kind of hung out in his living room ever since. I had only seen this bass a couple of times prior to today and had never given it much thought, but after giving it a good look over and playing it a bit I am curious to learn more about it.

Overall condition is good. It has a neck repair that looks solid, and a couple peg box repairs that perhaps could have been accomplished more gracefully, but still appear to be reasonably solid. There is some nice flame in the laminations on the ribs and on the back. Purfling is painted on.

It is set up for pizzicato and plays well, producing a good, if somewhat muted pizz sound. Acro sound is reasonably good, but a different setup would be needed. Strings are Spirocore Weichs. It could definitely benefit from some basic upgrades and adjustments.

There is no label inside or any identification marks, but it serms like it could be an older German laminate. Included with the bass is a French bow stamped Karl Hermann.

Most of the time I encourage folks to donate their old plywood basses to schools. It's usually a win win with the school getting an instrument and the previous owner getting a charitable donation that they can write off. For some reason I'm a little hesitant to do that with this one. In spite of all the work that has been done to it, it seems like it has potential which could be realized with a pretty modest outlay of time and money.

Any ideas as to what this could be would be greatly appreciated!
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Doesn't look German to me at all. I want to say it's probably homespun.

The three-piece neck is really interesting.

Yes, I thought that 3pc neck was interesting too. I don't recall ever seeing one like that, although that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

When I first saw this years ago, I initially thought it was an M1, but it seems to me the upper bouts on this bass have a slightly different contour. Also the neck is not pencil thin at the nut and it doesn't have, or bear any signs of the Tyrolean Kluson tuning machines that most Kay's have.
 
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Doesn't look German to me at all. I want to say it's probably homespun.

The three-piece neck is really interesting.

I looked at the pictures on my phone. None of the German basses I know looked like this. It has oversized shoulders with a slight slope and a different finish. I have never seen such a neck on a German bass. Tail, heel and neck bracing tells me of American descent. I am not an expert and I cannot know everything, but I also think that this bass does not look like German.
 
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Thanks for the feedback!

After checking out the 1941 Gibson B-135 currently for sale on Reverb, this does in fact appear to be an older Gibson double bass. Everything seems to match up: the body outline, 3 piece neck, individual Kluson tuning machines, triangular tailpiece, are all identical.
 
Interesting! Clearly the higher price for these is driven mainly by their scarcity and the Gibson name and not necessarily by the quality of the instrument.

I've had several Kays, and couple Epis, and an American Standard pass through. There is nothing really special about the way this particular Gibson bass plays or sounds right now. It is simply a well used ply in need of a little help to reach its full potential. I do think it could be improved significantly with a couple of key upgrades and a tweak or two. I'm thinking probably an adjustable 10mm endpin with braided tailpiece wire, new bridge, and a sound post adjustment.

I'm still not sure I feel 100% right about sending it off to be thrashed in a school program. I think I'll try to find a good home for it instead. Ill be speaking with a band director friend today and I'm pretty sure he will want it for himself.
 
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About the only thing as embarrassing is the mid-song endpin slip...

In general I found that replacing an old endpin with a high quality cork-lined ebony one, along with the braided tailpiece wire, does a great deal toward improving overall resonance. Almost every bass I have played that retains the old solid wire has sounded clunky and muted. The sound always seems to open up noticeably with the new endpin and braided wire, especially when combined with a sounpost adjustment (if necessary).
 
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I raise you the thing that has happened to me: the mid-song bridge shatter.

Twenty-five years ago in Memphis I had a chance with this incredibly hot woman but I blew it. Stormy, humid night, I said a mean thing, wounded her, she told me to leave, I did. Got back and walked through the front door of my house to find a shattered bridge on my Engelhardt. Left it standing in the corner for a few years until I finally had it fixed.