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#601
Speaking of pedal order....does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the FRANTABIT?

Obviously I'm gonna try it in a bunch of areas before I commit to anything. I'm thinking SubT, FMERON, OXIDE (which I'm converting to BOTTOM Jacks!) and XERO
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DLX in one loop and the POLYTOPE and NIMBUS in the other loop.

Wondering where best to place the bit crusher. Would it benefit from a buffered loop or un-buffered?

Thanks in advance for advice.
 
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#602
Personally, I would put the FrantaBit after the synth pedals, and before the Xerograph Deluxe. With that setup, the filter carves up the harmonics generated by the FrantaBit and more closely follows a typical synthesizer signal path. OTOH, putting it after the filter can make some really unusual vocal tract/formant filter type sounds.
 
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Taylor Livingston said:
Personally, I would put the FrantaBit after the synth pedals, and before the Xerograph Deluxe. With that setup, the filter carves up the harmonics generated by the FrantaBit and more closely follows a typical synthesizer signal path. OTOH, putting it after the filter can make some really unusual vocal tract/formant filter type sounds.
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Straight from the horse's mouth. Thanks, man!
 
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#606
bassgeek said:
Straight from the horse's mouth. Thanks, man!
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Any time. Also, I missed your question about buffered vs. unbuffered loops. It shouldn't make a difference - all current IE pedals have buffered inputs and outputs. The only one that ever didn't is the Oxide, since it's based on a vintage circuit.
 
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#611
Temporarily permanent for now, 4x IE pedals in the top row:

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The Divaricator loop is in one of the ES-5's loops, within the D/V is the Frazz (fuzz)->Xerograph Deluxe/expression pedal.

The Polytope is in a different loop and can be applied at the end of whatever loop program or before (I have a few patches set up that move the Polytope behind or in front.

The Nimbus SE resides near the very end of my effects chain, and is set up with a very mild amount of small room that just sweetens my overall tone a little bit and just remains on. It's not in the ES-5. The pedal next to it is another programmable reverb that I've not really dug into yet (Dr. Scientist The Atmosphere). That pedal is controlled by the orange disaster area DMC-3XL...which can also control the Future Impact and the Timeline (also controllable through the ES-5.
 
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bassjamn said:
nice board @BurningSkies
I was debating getting a ES-5, but cant really justify if i need it or not.
Curious what you use it for, my understanding is to manage which pedals are in the loop you program?
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It can do both MIDI and loop pre-programs. So, you can build patches of the different things in your loops, you can organize them (pick the order you want the different effects in your signal chain) and/or you can trigger MIDI pedals with them too.

So, for instance, I have a song that has Polytope throughout. I have a patch set up that has chorus for that song. But there's a bridge that's got deeper water, and I have a patch for that... it goes (loop 1) volume swell-> (loop 2) Divaricator/Fuzz/Xerograph->(loop 4) Chorus...then also turns on my Timeline to a specific patch. When that bridge is over, I just click back to the chorus only loop. So instead of having to ride the buttons for a bunch of stuff at once, I can just click one button each time.

Another song isn't so intense. I has a verse which is D/V-Fuzz/Xerograph and a chorus that's clean. Again I have a preset that has those...so I can go back and forth with clean-effect fairly easily.
 
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BurningSkies said:
It can do both MIDI and loop pre-programs. So, you can build patches of the different things in your loops, you can organize them (pick the order you want the different effects in your signal chain) and/or you can trigger MIDI pedals with them too.

So, for instance, I have a song that has Polytope throughout. I have a patch set up that has chorus for that song. But there's a bridge that's got deeper water, and I have a patch for that... it goes (loop 1) volume swell-> (loop 2) Divaricator/Fuzz/Xerograph->(loop 4) Chorus...then also turns on my Timeline to a specific patch. When that bridge is over, I just click back to the chorus only loop. So instead of having to ride the buttons for a bunch of stuff at once, I can just click one button each time.

Another song isn't so intense. I has a verse which is D/V-Fuzz/Xerograph and a chorus that's clean. Again I have a preset that has those...so I can go back and forth with clean-effect fairly easily.
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This may be a stupid question, but I haven't used a complex, programmable switcher like that. Are you simply using it to manipulate pedal order and add/remove loops for certain songs? Or are you also changing the settings on individual pedals throughout a set? Like the Polytope for example. I assume you can only use the ES to change where it lies in the order of effects when stacking or to take it out of the chain completely when not in use. But are you messing with the polytope settings between songs to change the feel of the chorus?
 
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Nice thanks for the details, did not realize it does midi as well.
dumb question, so it also engages (on/off) your regular non midi pedals? like the IE's or do you have to leave them on?

I had a looper brand looper in the past and had to leave all my pedals on and use the looper switch to engage the loop chain. But it was very simple compared to a ES-5
 
#616
Grahams Groove said:
This may be a stupid question, but I haven't used a complex, programmable switcher like that. Are you simply using it to manipulate pedal order and add/remove loops for certain songs? Or are you also changing the settings on individual pedals throughout a set? Like the Polytope for example. I assume you can only use the ES to change where it lies in the order of effects when stacking or to take it out of the chain completely when not in use. But are you messing with the polytope settings between songs to change the feel of the chorus?
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With they Polytope, I'm not. It does use the same settings throughout unless I physically change them. With any of the MIDI pedals though, I can control them and pick different presets or adjustments. Generally speaking I'm not commonly changing pedal settings live (except for the Flex Pro which isn't in a loop, and I'm kneeling to use). If you had a bunch of programmable Midi pedals you could switch presets for each song or part of song.

For instance, I could build a few patches that had different Synth sounds with the Future Impact and switch between them during a song.

You may notice that I have two envelope filters on my board. Could I run a single and manually change the settings? Yes. But I don't have the desire or time and focus on stage to do that. I just run different ones for different songs/sounds.

My 'clean' patch on the ES-5 not only bypasses all loops but it also triggers all MIDI pedals to bypass themselves.
 
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bassjamn said:
Nice thanks for the details, did not realize it does midi as well.
dumb question, so it also engages (on/off) your regular non midi pedals? like the IE's or do you have to leave them on?

I had a looper brand looper in the past and had to leave all my pedals on and use the looper switch to engage the loop chain. But it was very simple compared to a ES-5
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You do have to leave the pedals on. I don't find that's a problem, since my power supply is a CS-12 and even with all pedals powered up, I've got about 800mA of extra headroom.
 
#618
bassjamn said:
Nice thanks for the details, did not realize it does midi as well.
dumb question, so it also engages (on/off) your regular non midi pedals? like the IE's or do you have to leave them on?

I had a looper brand looper in the past and had to leave all my pedals on and use the looper switch to engage the loop chain. But it was very simple compared to a ES-5
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The orange pedal is a MIDI controller too. Because the ES-5 isn't terribly friendly to just ratcheting through patches or banks (you know, sometimes you just wanna scroll sounds)...So I got that. It allows me to control any of the three MIDI pedals, turn them on/off and scroll through their patches. It will also build presets with the attached pedals, but then, might as well use the ES for that. You can also see that it has a roller knob, so I can assign that to a setting and use it as an expression if I want.
 
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#620
azwhofan said:
@BurningSkies I'm curious to know what that board weighs and what you use as a case.
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I haven't weighed it, but it's not a featherweight. Luckily the CS-12 is a SMPS based unit...but I'd guess the whole thing in the matching PedalTrain hardcase is probably in the 20+ish pound range? We actually have a few of these cases/boards in the band.
 
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