Is a 15" a good addition?

[Chef]

Mrtn400; JimmyM:

there's some good tech exchange in your posts, but
play nicely and respectfully, or don't post.
several people have reported your interchange.

next time won't be a warning, it'll be infractions all the way around for everyone involved.

thanks.

 

[amos]

I have never liked mixing speaker cabs, and the reason is because of phasing issues. Two drivers of different sizes covering the same sonic ground causes phasing. It may be a little or it may be a lot, but there's almost always some megative interaction going on there. I'd get another 410. I've played bass through many 410's, even when I liked playing 5 string, and all of them have handled the low notes just fine.

To the OP: I think a 15 is always a nice addition. I'd like to add a 15 to my setup myself

To Jimmy or anyone else than can answer this questiono you know if it is possible to run multiple speaker sizes w/o phasing issues? I run two identical 1x12s and a 2x10, and can't get the perceivable stage volume of say a 610 or even my roommate's 410. What I can do however, is stack my cabs vertically and whenever I do so I have zero problems hearing myself and usually get compliments from other bassists. Could stacking my cabs vertically contribute to avoiding phase issues associated with speakers of different sizes run together? I really like the tone I get from my setup, but I do notice phasing issues.

Edit: just wanted to add that when I first added a 210 to my setup I had it crossed over at 50hz but I like the punch from it and in a mic'ing situation (though I prefer a DI) I like having the 10 mic'd, so I set the filter back to 30hz for more overall volume. I am not sure though if x-ing the 10s at 50hz would make a difference. I've never even ran a true bi-amp setup before.

 

[Chef]

I'm absolutely no expert in cone phasing.

But, I do mix and match various cabs, a lot.
Sometimes with great results, sometimes not so much.

Speakers in a line is supposed to help with this, and is something I've only started to mess with, but the results have been good so far.

 

[pedulla-2007]

For 20 yrs I was faithfully devoted to the school of bi-amping with a GK RB 800 because the acoustics in every venue are different. I have played in basketball gyms where the acoustics were terrible and the need for the lows from my 15in were not needed as much as the highs and mids from my 410's. That is where the beauty of bi-amping really comes to play. Markbass seems to be having good luck with mixture of their 210/115 combo in full range. If you have the money experimentation might bring good results. Good luck!!

 

[JimmyM]

To Jimmy or anyone else than can answer this questiono you know if it is possible to run multiple speaker sizes w/o phasing issues? I run two identical 1x12s and a 2x10, and can't get the perceivable stage volume of say a 610 or even my roommate's 410. What I can do however, is stack my cabs vertically and whenever I do so I have zero problems hearing myself and usually get compliments from other bassists. Could stacking my cabs vertically contribute to avoiding phase issues associated with speakers of different sizes run together? I really like the tone I get from my setup, but I do notice phasing issues.

Bear in mind that I'm new to all this stuff and I'm still learning about it, so I just try to remember what the experts say about it. And they say that stacking does help but won't eliminate phasing altogether. It all depends on the cabs and how nicely they play together.

Also let me say that many people, including famous and great bassists, run mixed rigs and they like the results. I never have, though. They always sounded a little off to me, even in the best of situations.

 

[Chef]

This is why I had Don at LDS build me a second 2x8 cab.
Now I stack them vertically to form a "line array 4x8."

In part, it may perform better.

Also, in part, it may just help a lot to have more drivers up at ear level in terms of being able to clearly hear myself.


There are plenty of times I like to add a 15 under some other cab...but, I think you're fooling yourself if you believe "15's inherently go deeper than other cabs." Might have been tru in 1970; certainly not true now.
I've tried bi-amping and didn't care for the results. I think biamping is mostly old technology with the current, very high performance cabs avaialbe now.

YMMV, etc.

 

[revlimitbounce]

You can mike both if you have a nice soundperson (good luck there). Otherwise mike the cab with the sound you like best.

I have to add a YMMV in a big way.

The most horrid sound/tone I've experienced in the past five years occurred here in NYC when the sound guy (at a well-known venue with a very good rep) insisted on micing my amp against my wishes. He said "don't worry, it'll sound just like you want it to." Of course, it didn't, but I didn't know it at the time because we had to rush through sound check. This was when I still had my Goliath series 1 (bought that thing back in '87 in college). I still can't figure out how he made that cab sound super-nasal and flabby all at the same time through the house and on the recording.

 

[Jimmy3711]

Thank you all for your valued input. I happened to be in GC yesterday and I was looking at the cabinets again. Normally the cab is $299. When I walked by it was marked as $199. When I inquired about the price, the AM told me that they were moving out inventory and he would check the price to be sure. He came back and said it actually is now listed for $169. This was kind of the decision breaker!!! I got home and I am quite pleased with what I am hearing. I am able to increase the Bass boost and have the lows really come through. As I stated before, I am new to the bass ring, but from what I can hear, it sounds great! Thanks again for all your input. I truly appreciate your time and expertise.