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Is a 15" a good addition?

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Jimmy3711

Oct 27, 2008
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Hey All,

I am a rather new converted guitar player to bass. I currently own 2 MIA Jazz basses ( 4 and 5 stringers) and a G/K Goldline 500w head and a G/K 410 GLX cab. I was thinking about getting the G/K 115 GLX as well, but I do not have the experience yet to know if it is worth it. The reason I was thinking about this cab is, now that I added a 5 string to my collection, will the 410 be able to handle the lows without being to muddy? Any input is welcomed and you don't have to worry about being kind... :)
 
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I have never liked mixing speaker cabs, and the reason is because of phasing issues. Two drivers of different sizes covering the same sonic ground causes phasing. It may be a little or it may be a lot, but there's almost always some megative interaction going on there. I'd get another 410. I've played bass through many 410's, even when I liked playing 5 string, and all of them have handled the low notes just fine.
 
#7
I have read mixed reviews on the Goldline series from G/K. So far, I have been very pleased with the sound I have been able to get. I am sure as my experiences pile up, I will develop a better ear for the bass tone. Until then, as with having 3 girls 3 and under (twins), I have a budget to stay within. Since I have been satisfied so far, I thought to stay with the line in what I know already.
 
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JimmyM said:
I have never liked mixing speaker cabs, and the reason is because of phasing issues. Two drivers of different sizes covering the same sonic ground causes phasing. It may be a little or it may be a lot, but there's almost always some megative interaction going on there. I'd get another 410. I've played bass through many 410's, even when I liked playing 5 string, and all of them have handled the low notes just fine.
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What are you talking about?

Phasing occurs when you have two speakers (or cabs in this case) wired inversely, so that when one is out the other is in.

Getting a 1x15" would be fine. :)
 
#11
mrtn400 said:
What are you talking about? :scowl:

Phasing occurs when you have two speakers (or cabs in this case) wired inversely, so that when one is out the other is in.

Getting a 1x15" would be fine. :)
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No, you are wrong. Phasing issues can happen for any number of reasons...what you're talking about is a polarity issue that causes phasing. There are a million other reasons you can have phasing, and mixing speaker sizes to cover the same sonic ground is one of them. Ever see a pro-level PA with different sized speakers covering the same frequencies? Nope, they're always crossed over and only certain speakers get certain ranges. Why? Because of phasing.
 
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dannybuoy said:
Big speakers react ever so slightly slower than small speakers. When mixing sizes, depending on where you are standing in the room will be notches at certain frequencies. This is the phasing our Jim was on about.
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While you're right about the notching, according to Bill FM, all speakers react at the exact same speed, and the reason the big ones sound slower to your ears is because of beaming preventing good off-axis response. Definitely sounds like they're slower but in reality it's an audio illusion.
 
#14
DanFold said:
I'm getting a 1x15 for my Orange soon,
my only problem is, i make everyone mic up my 4x10, but when the 1x15's in, what do i mic up? the 15 or the 10?! you don't ever see 2 mic's on a bass amp do you?!
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Sure. I've seen as many as 3. But in smaller venues with less than stellar PA, you'll be lucky to get one channel. So which one do you mic? The one that sounds better to you.
 
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I agree with B-String, you never Know and there is not a lot of talk about how and where and under what conditions your going to use this stuff.

B-String helped me with a external cab choice.

No matter what most of you say, I like the sound of GK.I ordered the RBX 210 (370.00 new including tax and shipping. to add to my Backline 115.It should come in this week


B-string said:
If you are pleased with it that is all that really matters. :)
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#18
true, i recon i'd go for the 15 when i get it, 4x10 sounds a bit too much like thunder for my liking, but i do like the top end you get with them, suppose i could just turn it up and make people ear's bleed!

and in response to this post, i'm a guitarist turned bassist, 4 years ago, and up to now i think a 4x10 and 1x15 is the way forward, you need that big cone for the lows to come through nice and clear, look at a 1x18 even! a 15 will sound better to me,
with a 5 string bass, the last thing you want are millions of 10's, to low end will just sound pants.
 
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JimmyM said:
No, you are wrong. Phasing issues can happen for any number of reasons...what you're talking about is a polarity issue that causes phasing. There are a million other reasons you can have phasing, and mixing speaker sizes to cover the same sonic ground is one of them. Ever see a pro-level PA with different sized speakers covering the same frequencies? Nope, they're always crossed over and only certain speakers get certain ranges. Why? Because of phasing.



Maybe if you used terms that are more standard you would make more sense. I've never heard the term "sonic ground", and no one I know has heard it. That's what threw me off. If you said something like, i don't know, "frequencies", it would make more sense.
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the term "sonic ground" is self-explanatory to my ears. It's not a technical term. It's another way I describe "frequency range." I'm a little surprised you didn't get what I meant, but maybe I should stop using it if it's really that unclear to others.
 

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