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Is it wrong?

#22
905 said:
Imagine a Christian walking into a mosque and going all "Hey guys. I just dropped in to say that your belief is wrong, and christianity is superior. You just haven't realised it yet."
Do you see what I'm trying to get across?
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you wanna know the funny thing, well not really funny. the old owner of my cd shop, became a born again christian and used to have screaming fits because i'm an athiest.

he bassically said what you said to a customer who is an orthadox jewish rabi. havent seen the customer since.

hand on my mothers grave that it happened!!1
 
#26
Man, hate is a pretty strong word for a artist you don't care for! I see Paul McCartney got pulled into this thread too, lot of haters out there.........sigh..........
 
#27
BellBottomBlues said:
...to hate Jaco Pastorius?

I can't stand his music and I don't really see what the big deal was aside from him basically inventing fretless electric bass. Listening to his stuff from Weather Report I feel as if I'm bored to tears.

I understand he influenced a lot of people, but he basically a glorified jazz fusion player who was pompous enough to claim he was the greatest bassist of all time.

I can safely say I'm not influenced by him, and I don't think any of my influences can cite being influenced by him because I dig more of the old school players like Willie Dixon etc...

Does anyone think there is a better player than Jaco? I think I can name a couple.


**Please note this is not a flame or an attempt at trolling, its just my opinion and I'm trying to see if I'm alone or not.
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When you grow up you will understand.
 
#28
HI

Hate? Why? Did you know him personally? Did wrong to you or your family?

Do you just hate his persona? I dont get it

There are plenty of famous people that Im not interested in. Doesnt mean I hate them. Doesnt mean Im gonna rant or try to talk of others who are "better"

Jaco was Jaco. Ultra talented, unique, a personality. His playing was remarkable, like it or not.

Dont hate the player, hate the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rob
 
#29
funkalicious101 said:
thats a joke right?

i was using harmonics before i had ever heard of jaco
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Thats the whole point. Jaco's impact on bass playing was such that even if you have never heard his playing, you've been influenced by someone who was influenced by someone who was influenced by Jaco. The harmonics example is perfect, because after Jaco it spread like wildfire. Kind of like anyone who plays slap bass is influenced by Larry Graham, even if they've never heard Larry Graham.

edit: Just checked your profile, and you play a fretless Fender Jazz. You can't deny the Jaco influence there.
 
#30
The problem lies in that when a lot of people put someone up high on a pedestal, there are going to be another crowd of people who don't understand why because they don't see what is/was so great about them.

People accept that Jamerson was the original Motown bass dude, just like Leo Fender set the benchmark for electric bass. Paul McCartney doesn't do it for me either.

I have been fortunate to listen to a lot of great bands but at the end of the day, a band can have the best musician's in the world but if you don't like the tunes then you are not going to listen to them.

I think that this is one of the problems here. I really don't like this style of music and I've tried on several occasions to listen to it.

I totally disagree with the harmonic thing. I discovered this by accident when I began learning. I put my finger over one of the strings to stop it ringing out and it made a sound. I hadn't heard of Jaco until I was 17 and I don't know of any bass players that I have listened to that use this technique

Anyway, I've wasted enough time here. I'm off to have a look at other threads where I might actually learn something.

Until the next "xxxx is rubbish, yyyy is the best" thread, Au revoir

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#32
beggar98 said:
Thats the whole point. Jaco's impact on bass playing was such that even if you have never heard his playing, you've been influenced by someone who was influenced by someone who was influenced by Jaco. The harmonics example is perfect, because after Jaco it spread like wildfire. Kind of like anyone who plays slap bass is influenced by Larry Graham, even if they've never heard Larry Graham.

edit: Just checked your profile, and you play a fretless Fender Jazz. You can't deny the Jaco influence there.
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sorry, but i wanted a fretless with a simmilar neck to my geddy lee fender jazz.

and the harmonic argument is terrible, its like saying if you play with a pick you must be influenced with whoever did that first.
 
#33
Someone doesn't have to be influenced by Jaco in any way to play a fretless jazz, they're readily available in stores and people have been playing stringed instruments without frets for hundreds of years before Jaco. Obviously companies that produce fretless bass guitars do so originally because Jaco popularised the variation on the instrument, but that has no bearing on the individual person buying the instrument.

Now, in the specific case of BellBottomBlues, you are influenced by Jaco, even if you don't know it. After all, you have an opinion formed about him and his playing,

I'd hardly call what you've said about Jaco hate, just indifference.

Since when was it wrong to have a difference of opinion about music?
 
#34
905 said:
TBH it's very arrogant to say that.
I can safely say that I am not in any way inspired or influenced by Jaco, and by your statement I'm actually a bit offended (if only just a teeny tiny bit).
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To be influenced doesn't mean to copy someone or to even like them. I have been influenced by countless players as to what I don't want to sound like. Plus, there are a lot of players that did listen to his playing, probably some players who you do like. Influence still stands, only indirectly.

With Jaco, it is almost the same as with Jimi Hendrix, only on a smaller level. Today, 40 years later, it is almost impossible to find a modern guitar player that is not influenced by Hendrix; one way or the other, even if they never heard the guy.

P.S.-don't be offended so easy, it's only a bass forum.
 
#35
Rano Bass said:
If you use harmonics when you play you are influenced by Jaco
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In a lot of cases that's not true at all and not to take anything away from Jaco he was not the first Bassist to use harmonics,he got the idea to use harmonics from watching a local Bassist (in Florida) use harmonics and tune his bass by using harmonics.
 
#37
JAUQO III-X said:
In a lot of cases that's not true at all and not to take anything away from Jaco he was not the first Bassist to use harmonics,he got the idea to use harmonics from watching a local Bassist (in Florida) use harmonics and tune his bass by using harmonics.
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I agree. I hate to bring a guitarist into this, but Eddie Van Halen is undoubtedly the father of tapping, but even HE will say that he wasn't the first to do it, but that doesn't stop people from still saying he was first. He was the first to make a big thing with it.

I had never heard the name of Jaco until I was well into my 20's, I don't like jazz at all, why would I?

I was a metalhead through and through. When I was 17 in 1991 I heard a guitar player make a sound, a pinch harmonic and I said to myself "I want to do that!" So I asked him how he did it, and he graciously demonstrated it to me backstage after his concert (Thank you Dimebag R.I.P. :bawl:).

I learned how to do pinch harmonics first on a guitar (I didn't play guitar, but that is how I learned) then I went home and practised on my bass until I knew how to do it on bass too. Later on I used a pick less and less, so I needed to learn how to do pinch harmonics without one. I figured it out on my own just fine. Nobody taught me, I had to figure it out for myself. Alot of people told me that you can't do pinch harmonics on a bass, it made it a challenge to prove them wrong.

Jaco had NO influence on me whatsoever. I don't know it to be fact, but I honestly doubt that Jaco influenced Dimebag Darrel to do pinch harmonics either. And even if he did, that doesn't mean that Jaco influenced me, it still means Dimebag did.

If you want to use the argument that because your influences influences influences influences did it first, so therefore YOU are DIRECTLY influenced by them, well, that's jsut plain narrow minded. To say that is to say that we are all directly related because if you trace evolution back far enough...

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#38
Chris2112 said:
How come we never see threads of people expressing a dislike for McCartney or Jamerson? Why is it always jaco!
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Because Jaco was playing Jazz and "difficult" music - not 3 minute pop songs that are easy to "get"!

Jaco was holding his own with two of Jazz's foremost composers at the time - but that kind of music requires work on the part of the listener and certain amount of knowledge about what the artists were trying to do - to fully appreciate it!

So - the Beatles and Motown were "immediate" types of music - meant to be catchy and picked up staight away by anyone!

Whereas Weather Report were coming from a long tradition of Jazz and electronic experiments lead by Miles etc etc
It wasn't meant to be catchy pop songs - it's a different kind of music that most people will not have the ears to get.

But if you are committed to music and are prepared to work a bit, then this kind of thing can be much more satisfying in the long run...:)

But I have no doubt that a lot of the instant hit, internet gratification generation won't get it and won't try....:hmm:
 
#39
If one feels that their influenced by Jaco indirectly simply because who they may be influenced by was/is influenced by Jaco then they may as well say that their also influenced by Jerry Jemmont and Rocco Prestia since Jaco was so heavily influenced by them.



One can respect and recognize a gifted talent and not be influenced by that talent.
 
#40
Oh, and my desire to play fretless initially stems from hearing what can be done with it from a fellow local metalhead who played one in a metal band.

I little later on, before I dared buy a fretless for myself, but discovered I liked it alot by jamming on his (by this point we were good friends) I heard Pearl Jam's Ten album, and the song "Black." That sealed the deal, I had to have one.

I don't doubt Jeff Ament is a fan of Jaco, but I don't care, Ament's playing affected me to want one, it had and still has nothing to do with Jaco.

I will never diss Jaco's playing or contributions, but I have ZERO interest in listening to him, it just doesn't do it for me.

Back then I bought an Ibanez Soundgear fretless and used it in my metal band and had a great time with it.

Now I am after a fretless again, because I want to explore that side of my playing some more. I want it to be a Jazz, and it has NOTHING to do with Jaco and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that I have just discovered Jazz basses suit my feel, style, and tone.
 

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