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Issues with the Fender Ultra Jazz 5

Mar 27, 2014
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I'll start by saying I'm a big Fender fan. Over the last 30 years, I've owned every version of their US versions of the 5 string jazz and P basses. I currently own two Elite Jazz 5's, have owned a total of 4. I've been very curious about the Ultra's, especially the 5 string after seeing many pics on line. My interest was not that I wanted to buy one, but I wanted to see the new colors, the feel of the neck, and the new bridge. I played the sparkle white 5 with a maple fingerboard.

First, the set-up was terrible. This was not Fender's fault, just GC being typical GC. Though the action was very high, I could tell the neck had a great feel to it and I really liked the vintage tint. It didn't really feel any different to my Elite's but I will say that of the 4 I've owned, each neck felt different from each other, with variances in the thickness. The two I kept are exceptional examples, though they were all very nice. I didn't hear anything different in the tone compared to the Elite, at least nothing that I could pinpoint to say the Ultra has improved or changed. The color was cool but at first I thought it looked cheap. Something about the sparkle just looked like a cheap finish but the more I looked at it I started to like it.

Now the thing I was most interested in checking out: the bridge. My opinion on this bridge is directed only at the 5 string version. The 4 string versions they had, which included that very cool blue color, appeared to have no issues. In most of the pics I've seen on line of the 5 strings, it appeared as though the G string was very close to the edge of the fingerboard. I've seen one or two where this didn't seem to be an issue. On the bass I played today, the G string was on the edge and when played in the upper register, the string could easily be pulled off the side of the fingerboard. To play it required thought and a change in technique. The string also did not align over the pickup pole pieces correctly. The problem is that the bridge appears to be 19mm as opposed to the typical Fender 5 string spacing of 18-ishmm. I think Fender just went to this bridge for whatever reason without making any other design changes, like making the neck wider or using pickups with the wider spacing. This, to me, is huge mistake. Previous Fender US bridges allowed for string spacing adjustment, not so on the new bridge. It's like a Badass style bridge where a single groove is cut into the saddle. Fender slotted the saddle as close to the inside as they could to help with alignment but it isn't enough. If I bought this bass, I'd have to either replace the bridge or try to move it slightly toward the bass side which could cause the B string to be too close to the edge of the fingerboard, which typically isn't as much of an issue as the G string being on the edge. This might not be an issue if you rarely play above the 12th or 14th fret, the lower register seemed more manageable. Overall, I'm pretty disappointed.
 
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I see what you are saying about the bridge. I wonder if in real life there is room to reslot it and peen it over?

Even in the stock Fender pics, the G looks like it's falling off the edge of the board

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That is extremely interesting! The 2 7/8" bridge absolutely would make the difference and is probably the size of their previous Dlx/Elite bridges. I wonder if they're installing the wrong bridges at the factory? It would probably account for the Ultra Jazz 5's that I've seen with proper alignment. Great find, vid1900. I bet Fender would replace the wide bridge for the slightly narrower one under warranty.

It looks like Fender makes 2 sizes of the 5-string high mass bridge a 2-7/8" and 3" spacing.

I wonder if the 2 7/8" spacing fixes the problem?

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I’m surprised Fender even has a 3” bridge (19mm)...which of their models has 19mm? I thought they settled on the 18.4mm as their standard 5-string spacing a long time ago...

I just looked at a bunch on Sweetwater, and some have bad string alignment over the pole pieces, some don’t. But they all have a G string very close to the fretboard edge.
That’s a pretty big screwup...
 
18.4mm has been their standard and I probably prefer it to anything else. The Ultra certainly isn't designed for a 3" 19mm spaced bridge. The site with the 2 7/8" bridge is interesting as that is clearly the bridge needed. It would work perfectly with the current specs. Thankfully, that is a very simple fix.
 
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I have a Fender Deluxe Precision and one I my favourite features is the great bridge.
The new lump of metal on the Ultra’s appears to be a solution looking for a problem.

I feel that way about high mass bridges in general. My own fender has a BA2 on it but it's been there 20 years and I'm just not interested in dicking around with it anymore. That instrument sounds great but different from what I normally expect out of a jazz. The basses I have with an old fashioned stamped/folded bridge sound more like what I expect.
 
I simply will not be convinced that this high mass bridge that they have been using on their import basses for years is somehow an upgrade over the HMV bridge we've all come to know and love that was introduced in 2008 and used to our delight on Am Std, Am Pro, Am Deluxe and Am Elite basses ever since.

Why in the world would they screw up an otherwise great bass with this awful Leo Quan knockoff bridge?!?
 
Why in the world would they screw up an otherwise great bass with this awful Leo Quan knockoff bridge?!?

Fender has to do something to make the Ultra look different, otherwise it would just be an Elite without the cool truss rod.

Remove easy truss rod - check
Remove ebony - check
Remove 3db of range from eq - check

"Wait, guys we are making this less ultra than the old bass! Players might notice. "
"We could give them these HM bridges? They look different. "
"Yessssssssss!"
 
I’ve owned my Elite 4 string for 2 years and it’s my main Jazz that gets played every night and it’s giggin 4-6 times a month, love it.. When I went last month to check out the new Ultra Jazz it just felt cheaper, and the new knockoff bridge didn’t help in the looks department either! Conversely when I played an Elite off the rack years ago it felt and looked like a high end top shelf Jazz. I think Fender found several ways to cut corners on these new Ultras while keeping the same price tag? And people have caught on sense day one.
 
Maybe if enough people complain about the string spacing enough like on that old EBMM thread Leo Fender might chime in and say he will make a 19mm 5 string if enough people pay a upfront deposit first,black finish only .

If Leo Fender chimes in, I don’t think there will be a lot of talking back!:woot:
 
Fender has to do something to make the Ultra look different, otherwise it would just be an Elite without the cool truss rod.

Remove easy truss rod - check
Remove ebony - check
Remove 3db of range from eq - check

"Wait, guys we are making this less ultra than the old bass! Players might notice. "
"We could give them these HM bridges? They look different. "
"Yessssssssss!"

This might not be a joke!:roflmao: