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I've been tone chasing the Precision gutteral 'clank' for years....

The thread below is great - but I want to start my own...

I want my P Bass to be clankier/have more zing

I have been pursuing the Precision gutteral 'clank' for years - This tone is an elusive one to describe. and I'm not talking about fret buzz. It's a buzz free- resounding piano pick sound.

Here are a few examples ( I wish I could recall some good sound clips).
I recall John Wetton in UK (opening for Jethro Tull - yes, a long time ago).
A fairly obscure pre- grunge band from Vancouver called 'Sons of Freedom'.
Tommy Stinson in either G+R or the replacements.
Karl Meuller in Soul Asylum.

The other day in a music store to plucked away at a Fender American Standard 'Dimension' and it had that 'clank' tone unplugged. Also a friend had a Tokai 'Hard Puncher' P Bass that had the 'clank' for days. This leads be to believe it's a Light weight body/maple board/string thing as much as a compressor/preamp/amp/speaker thing.

It's not just a question of scooped mids.

Someone in this thread said Seymour Duncan quarter pounders help....I'm going to check out a ESP Vintage 4 Reliced' Tommy Stinson thing)today to see if it has that 'mojo'. For record I have owned 4 P basses, 2 Jazz's and three Musicman Sabre/Stingrays - and it has eluded me. I've owned SVT's , GK800 RB's and a Trace Elliott - I have never really delved into compression until now. I'm also going to try stainless steel strings (Gauge ?)

Just wondering if the tone I'm looking for rings a bell.
For me, you have to be more specific about those tone examples. I don't recall Wetton being known for treble on his bass, never heard of the other bands other than Soul Asylum, and to me the bass was an afterthought in that band.

If it's what i think you're after, it's high mid that you seek, 1-2K. I'd look at a P-bass with an ash body, maple neck, nickel wounds, and probably a solid state amp.

Some one said stainless steel wounds; while Rotos will get you there after they break in, most SS strings have an abundance of ultra high and rather scooped mids. You won't get the clanky sound until they break in after a couple of weeks. Nickels are better at high mids, to my ear.

As for pickups, I've heard that sound from MIM Fender P-basses, even though they have alder bodies. But I have two P-basses with ash bodies that can get a clank, the more clanky of the two has a maple fretboard, and uses Fender Custom Shop '62 pickups. SD quarter pounders might have more edge than the CS '62, but in some basses like my maple-necked P, they didn't sound good.

As for amps, I wouldn't look to an SVT for clank; that thing's about punch and low end push. Sunn amps did it in the old days, these days a GK might because they are on the bright side, but they have a mid-cut that might work against you. Definitely not MarkBass, maybe Fender, I'm thinking something that sounds less 'tubey" and more "solid-state."

Hope this helps, and would like to see a video posted of exactly what you mean.
 
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I found this vid where you can really hear how the one bass in the bunch that has a maple board (the '77 USA Moccha) clearly has more attack, punch and "clank potential" then the others equipped with rosewood boards.

It's actually pretty cleverly made, and they go through various settings and playing styles. Worth watching all the way through. Take a listen...


Moonlight is right ... there are other videos like this on YouTube but you will notice that the tendency of the bass to exhibit a clank-like tone is maximised when the P bass in question is a true vintage 70s P bass, to be more precise a P bass made after 1976 ... you can verify yourself whereas the majority of them had a maple board but not all... there's a video where a mocha rosewood boarded 1979 P bass is clanking like hell being super aggressive ...
This lead me to believe that in a way this kind of tone was heavily relying on the type of pickups installed on that bass model during that period ... my CIJ 70s P bass (ash & maple) has a tendency to clank a bit but certainly not as the one heard in the videos mentioned by Moonlight making it suitable also for more Motiwnish R&B stuff if which I'm happy as I personally don't like a P bass to be too aggressive ... for this I like to use my jazzes
 
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You might be onto something about the acoustic tone of the bass - I have a P bass with a maple board, and I swear it sounds like a P bass even unplugged, which I cannot explain but there seems to be something real to it. My other basses (not Ps) do not have that sound unplugged.
 
My Fender P-bass Reissue '70 MIJ with maple fretboard was a Clank town. I tried everything, including two aftermarket pickups, but could not tame it. I loved how it looked but hated how it sounded, so I sold it a week ago. Get one and enjoy megaclankness.
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Oh hey, that's my bass! Not the one you sold, but the one in the picture of course. I can confirm it has a lot of "Gank" to it, very punchy and growly for a P-Bass. The first time I played it in a band setting, I was blown away by the amount of presence while operating at a modest volume. I kind of want a backup now...
 
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Oh hey, that's my bass! Not the one you sold, but the one in the picture of course. I can confirm it has a lot of "Gank" to it, very punchy and growly for a P-Bass. The first time I played it in a band setting, I was blown away by the amount of presence while operating at a modest volume. I kind of want a backup now...
Great photo! I sold mine on a whim, so the only photos I have are crappy - you can see my slippers :laugh: Lovely looking instrument, right? Looked great on stage.
 
If I had to get a P-bass now (which I don't) I'd definitely get the Squier Matt Freeman P, the exact clank amount and timbre for my taste...



(it states in the video comments that this is direct audio from bass to sound interface)

OTOH setup and technique are defintely the 2 main factors. This is an 88€ P kit bass I built, tuned BEAD (the lower 4 of a Warwick Red Label Nickel rounds 5-string set), after proper setup (as low as the neck would allow me without notes getting choked) and picked with rage (+ some SansAmp grit)...



Also, IME the P clank seems to happen in the 600hz to 2khz zone so EQ play is a must for bringing out the clank if your P bass is of the darkest kind.
 
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The thread below is great - but I want to start my own...

I want my P Bass to be clankier/have more zing

I have been pursuing the Precision gutteral 'clank' for years - This tone is an elusive one to describe. and I'm not talking about fret buzz. It's a buzz free- resounding piano pick sound.

Here are a few examples ( I wish I could recall some good sound clips).
I recall John Wetton in UK (opening for Jethro Tull - yes, a long time ago).
A fairly obscure pre- grunge band from Vancouver called 'Sons of Freedom'.
Tommy Stinson in either G+R or the replacements.
Karl Meuller in Soul Asylum.

The other day in a music store to plucked away at a Fender American Standard 'Dimension' and it had that 'clank' tone unplugged. Also a friend had a Tokai 'Hard Puncher' P Bass that had the 'clank' for days. This leads be to believe it's a Light weight body/maple board/string thing as much as a compressor/preamp/amp/speaker thing.

It's not just a question of scooped mids.

Someone in this thread said Seymour Duncan quarter pounders help....I'm going to check out a ESP Vintage 4 Reliced' Tommy Stinson thing)today to see if it has that 'mojo'. For record I have owned 4 P basses, 2 Jazz's and three Musicman Sabre/Stingrays - and it has eluded me. I've owned SVT's , GK800 RB's and a Trace Elliott - I have never really delved into compression until now. I'm also going to try stainless steel strings (Gauge ?)

Just wondering if the tone I'm looking for rings a bell.

Board type certainly doesn't make much difference. I had an early 80s Squier with a rosewood board which was on the clankier end of things, and an early 80s Fender Japan with a rosewood board which was on the smoother side if things. Currently my smoothest sounding J has a maple board.

The big factors, IMHO, will be strings, pickups, setup, and playing style
 
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IME it seems to be more inherent in a maple board. You can get it with rw but it seems like maple has it more often. Saying that, all I have is rw currently and I dig em!

I have two Ps with rosewood boards and they are clankier than I'd like. My least clanky bass has a maple board.

If I get sufficiently bored over Christmas I might swap necks and record since one needs a little fret attention anyway. However I have a ton of stuff to do around the house and a number of other things so I might not get that far!
 
I do clank and growl all day (when I actually play, that is, these days...).
Anyway,
Warwick Thumb BO 5 string with a 135 B string and string set to match, jazz heavy.
Fingertip-style-wack-and-bounce off the frets (medium action, not low, not high, just right).
Bass eq flat (no boost to highs or lows).
Push that into an overdrive with high-mids (@ 800-1000 Hz) accentuated.
(Just about any drive will do really, but my preference is either the JL Hyperdrive or B3K, or both!).
Further push that into a Mesa M9 and you have all the clank and growl you could want.
I shut off the drives when I want to get all smooth and buttery again.

Its a one or two effect solution. (if you're ok with boxed effects as apposed to setting all your tones on the amp).
Alone, the Thumb is all kinds of clanky and growly (really dense wood, double bridge MEC pickups, etc..)

In general, new strings, nudge the high-mids up a bit, and WACK THE &^%$ OUT OF EM!!
 
Rogers Waters Signature P-bass with Flat Wound Nickel Strings. Turn the tone all the way up(treble up) and have the strings high up enough to where they have some motion and drive into the pickups. Tube preamp and power amp(SVT, Mesa Prodigy or similar) no effects. I use this exact set up on my blues gigs.
 
I found this vid where you can really hear how the one bass in the bunch that has a maple board (the '77 USA Moccha) clearly has more attack, punch and "clank potential" then the others equipped with rosewood boards.

It's actually pretty cleverly made, and they go through various settings and playing styles. Worth watching all the way through. Take a listen...



Ash + Maple for the win!! That tone jumps right out of my tiny cell phone speaker like no other! :)
 
I honestly think almost any P bass could get the Clank you are looking for, especially one with a maple fretboard. Rotosounds, a pick, and the right amplifier. I also find a touch of overdrive in the high mids will get you there. Think Mike Dirnt's tone. He always records with an Eclair Evil twin which provides an upper mid boost.
 
I think "clank"is the wrong word here. Clank is possible with any bass at all.

P Basses have a throaty "bark" that is all their own. All have it, although some much more than others. It's part of the reason P Basses fit and can be heard well in a mix. Someone mentioned Tommy Stinson with the Replacements. You can hear him and that bark even when the guitars are wailing away.

In my experience, maple boards have it more than rosewood. The 50s P Basses with the 1.75" necks even more so.

This is a good example:
 
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I find I get the best old school 70's punk clank (its that's what we're talking about) with older nickel rounds when the 'zing' is gone out of them. Quarter Pounders are a bit scooped so I dont think these will help you. You really want to emphasis the middeyness. Its a Sandberg California VS (an active P bass). Even though my bass is active i typically go in flat.