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Jaco impro

#22
brivello said:
memorized licks can be seen in ALL jazz players solos, its part of the style of music. most musicians may try and limit how much of it they use and try to play alot of spontaneous stuff instead. Most of whats out there is a combination off both, like the Jaco stuff.

Its about using what you know to express yourself. memorized licks are a big part of that.

look at Charlie Parker, he had one lick that he played in almost every single solo. Why? because he wanted to. It was his signature lick. and it was/is cool.

jaco isnt only considered one of the best bass players ever only because of his improvisational skill(which he had a lot of by the way). He pretty much brought the electric bass into jazz. that's a big deal. In donna lee, he not only plays classic bebop licks, but uses his bass to emulate the articulation and stylistic mannerisms of a horn. On top of that he has countless very original and interesting compositions in numerous styles.

chew on that.
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#25
The following report was just released here in Canada.
Jaco died 21-years ago and even with the designer 'Prozak' type drugs very little has changed in the compassionate understanding of the people who suffer from mental disorders. What is oddest is we with the mental ability to somewhat understand what is happening to them easily fall into the quick fix thinking that throwing drugs at them, telling them to swallow, sit up and act normal is going to make it all OK.......
It's not.
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The CMA says those attitudes have not changed in decades. The federal government has announced $75 million in funding to de-stigmatize mental health in Canada, but results could take years.

The poll, which was part of the CMA's 2008 National Report Card, showed 46 per cent of Canadians think people use the term "mental illness" as an excuse for bad behaviour.

One of four Canadians in the survey said they were scared to be around someone with a mental illness - something that doesn't surprise Tammy Lambert.

She has suffered from schizoaffective disorder for more than a decade. She writes poems about her delusions and says she often feels alone at school, fighting the fears of other people.

"I don't think that they mean to treat you differently, it's just something that happens," Lambert said. "It's like mental illness red flags people."

The poll also showed only 50 per cent of Canadians would tell a friend that a family member had a mental illness -- compared to 72 per cent who would talk about a cancer diagnosis.

"We need to do a major education effort aimed at the public because the stigma with mental illness is clearly, clearly out there," Dr. Brian Day, CMA's president, told CTV News.

In an earlier press release, he said that "in some ways, mental illness is the final frontier of socially-acceptable discrimination."

The poll also found that:

a solid majority of Canadians would not have a family doctor (61 per cent) or hire a lawyer (58 per cent) who has a mental illness;
55 per cent would not marry someone who has a mental illness;
27 per cent of respondents are fearful of being around people experiencing serious mental illness;
15 per cent of respondents had themselves received a previous diagnosis of clinical depression, the most common mental illness.
Meanwhile, less than half of Canadians think people struggling with drug and alcohol addictions have a mental illness, says the report.
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The big problem with this is $75-million is going to buy a whack of phamphlets and hire a few students for the summer to hand them out and next year nothing will have changed.
What's interesting is that people will talk about cancer but not mental health.
 
#26
I've read all the stuff Marcus said about Jaco's inability to improvise (to be defined for this post, as I believe both Jaco and Marcus defined it, to mean "to create a solo or sequence of bass notes on the spur of the moment that are musically related to the chords of the song being performed"), and have also read Milkowski's book that outlined the same understanding. So, on all of these "Jaco can't improvise" threads, I've related that first hand information.

Today, I downloaded the Jaco-Bireli Lagrene "Live In Italy" performance.

If 25 years of playing have given my ears any credibility, I hear Jaco improvising on this live recording. And very well. Especially in "I Shot The Sheriff". I may have to change my posts!
 
#29
Those of you who believe that
Jaco couldn't improvise well, should
download these:



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live In Boston 1974:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8dn476jl6m0x7



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live In Boston 1975 & 1976:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=jyu20ba0tw7ni



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live at Zircon 1974:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=xincrocahv6eo


Jaco Pastorius & WOM - Live At Toad's Place 1982:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...6f6b720368e149


Jaco Pastorius - Trilogue Live 1976( the unedited version):


http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...f0d6082f1c2cd0
 
#31
for 12 years or so i lived in palm beach county (about 45 minutes north of ft lauderdale) and i ran into a couple of people that knew jaco (randy bernson ect ect) and they all pretty much told me the same thing

in the early days:
1. in the studio jaco wrote out his solos for two reasons, it was a chance to practice his composition skills, and he was a perfectionist and he wanted to put down the best solo he possibly could and he felt he could do that better writing it out before hand (not that he always stuck 100% to what he wrote)
2.live he was an incrediable improviser and noone on any instrument could touch him

the weather report days and after:
1.jaco became more concerned about living up to the reputation he garnered for himself then with expanding himself as a player
2. he became more concerned with the lifestyle he was living(thats another conversation completely)then the music and just got plain old lazy, rehashing the same old lines riffs licks whatever you wanna call them because he knew he could get away with it

take this all as you will this is just stuff people that knew him have told me
 
#32
Jazzomaniac said:
Those of you who believe that
Jaco couldn't improvise well, should
download these:



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live In Boston 1974:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=8dn476jl6m0x7



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live In Boston 1975 & 1976:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=jyu20ba0tw7ni



Pat Metheny & Jaco - Live at Zircon 1974:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=xincrocahv6eo


Jaco Pastorius & WOM - Live At Toad's Place 1982:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...6f6b720368e149


Jaco Pastorius - Trilogue Live 1976( the unedited version):


http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6...f0d6082f1c2cd0
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I think you forgot his best one:



If that doesn't prove Jaco can improvise, nothing can. ;)
 
#34
frankenjazz said:
for 12 years or so i lived in palm beach county (about 45 minutes north of ft lauderdale) and i ran into a couple of people that knew jaco (randy bernson ect ect) and they all pretty much told me the same thing

in the early days:
1. in the studio jaco wrote out his solos for two reasons, it was a chance to practice his composition skills, and he was a perfectionist and he wanted to put down the best solo he possibly could and he felt he could do that better writing it out before hand (not that he always stuck 100% to what he wrote)
2.live he was an incrediable improviser and noone on any instrument could touch him

the weather report days and after:
1.jaco became more concerned about living up to the reputation he garnered for himself then with expanding himself as a player
2. he became more concerned with the lifestyle he was living(thats another conversation completely)then the music and just got plain old lazy, rehashing the same old lines riffs licks whatever you wanna call them because he knew he could get away with it

take this all as you will this is just stuff people that knew him have told me
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Excellent info, thanks!
 
#37
Jazzomaniac said:
It's funny( I guess), but it should be advertised
clearly in the info-section of the video that it's
a parody. Many people actually thinks it's Jaco's
real playing( and not an overdub), thus that
video is bad for his reputation.
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I would like to think that no one on TB would ever believe that was actually Jaco playing that. Especially seeing as how there are parody videos like this of nearly every artist in existence now.

But, who knows, maybe someone just mistakenly tore down their Jaco poster in disgust. :rollno:

Oh, and it does mention that it's a parody in its "tag" section.
 
#38
phillipkregg said:
I would like to think that no one on TB would ever believe that was actually Jaco playing that. Especially seeing as how there are parody videos like this of nearly every artist in existence now.

But, who knows, maybe someone just mistakenly tore down their Jaco poster in disgust. :rollno:

Oh, and it does mention that it's a parody in its "tag" section.
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I was referring to the "youtubers", not the people
here on talkbass! Of course I would never
think that of people who have actually
heard Jaco's catalogue, especially people
on this site! :rollno:


If you took the time to read some of the comments
from the youtubers under the video, you'd see
that many actually believed that it was Jaco's
actual peformance( and not an overdub) even
though it was tagged as a parody.......:rollno:
 
#39
Jazzomaniac said:
If you took the time to read some of the comments
from the youtubers under the video, you'd see
that many actually believed that it was Jaco's
actual peformance( and not an overdub) even
though it was tagged as a parody.......:rollno:
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Check this out:

I don't know how else you can more clearly label that a parody, but a some of the people posting comments still think it's real.
 

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