Well aren't you Mama's special little angel? Hey, whatever, dude. Play with one finger for all I care. I don't see anyone lining up to hear your genius Motown playing, either.
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Jamerson Question
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Hey, I just don't need your advice. That's all. But, don't get upset. Sell your advice a few doors down. Maybe somewhere, there's someone who needs your advice. I don't know, LOL! Keep trying, I guess. And maybe you can't see anyone because they're all lining up to hear JimmyMotown instead of James Jamerson, LOL! After all, you don't need to play his lines, you just fill up the changes with your own crap, right? But why did you call me a genius? Did I post some "minutiae" thing that hurt your ego? You could contribute also - if you weren't so full of yourself.
WAAAAAHHHHH!! Someome else thinks different from me!! What a loudmouth jerk!! WAAAAAAAHHHH!!
Are you Carol Kaye?
Are you Carol Kaye?
JimmyM don't care, dude. Trust me. At ease.
I, personally, take great inspiration from Jamerson. However, I ceased and desisted long ago from trying to learn every Jamerson lick note-for-note. On many levels that is a fool's errand.
If I can cop some of the vibe, that's all I'm trying to get at.
That makes sense, doesn't it?
I, personally, take great inspiration from Jamerson. However, I ceased and desisted long ago from trying to learn every Jamerson lick note-for-note. On many levels that is a fool's errand.
If I can cop some of the vibe, that's all I'm trying to get at.
That makes sense, doesn't it?
I wouldn't laugh at Carol Kaye, if I were you. You're not fit to tune her bass strings. As you said "Jamerson was king, but he's dead now" and another quote from the famous Jimmy M "if I played one song the same way he did I'd be surprised." You're a real piece of work, Jimmy, LOL! A legend in his own mind....
Carol Kaye is a great bass player. And much like you, she is an angry older person who can't stand the thought of anyone thinking differently than her.
Listen, you want to crawl up Jamerson's butt and try to cop his every little nuance, that's your deal. I learned long ago that I wasn't Jamerson and I'd never be able to play those songs with one finger on a Precision with impossibly thick strings and very high action. Apparently that lesson hasn't quite sunk in with you. You can cop his vibe but you'll never be Jamerson. Why even bother trying? It's like all these Jaco clones who play nothing like him but think they do because they play a fretless on the bridge pickup. But hey, I do what I can to cop the overall vibe when I play a Motown song, and the dance floor is always filled when I do. What can I tell you? It's not as good as Jamerson, but it'll have to do.
Now go drink some prune juice and calm down.
Listen, you want to crawl up Jamerson's butt and try to cop his every little nuance, that's your deal. I learned long ago that I wasn't Jamerson and I'd never be able to play those songs with one finger on a Precision with impossibly thick strings and very high action. Apparently that lesson hasn't quite sunk in with you. You can cop his vibe but you'll never be Jamerson. Why even bother trying? It's like all these Jaco clones who play nothing like him but think they do because they play a fretless on the bridge pickup. But hey, I do what I can to cop the overall vibe when I play a Motown song, and the dance floor is always filled when I do. What can I tell you? It's not as good as Jamerson, but it'll have to do.
Now go drink some prune juice and calm down.
Jimmy, instead of trying to insult the membership and dominate, why don't you cooperate and contribute something of value to this post started by sflajimmy who, believe it or not, does indeed have an interest in whether Jamerson used open or stopped strings on this tune. Beside, I'm tired of your advice. We're all stocked up on your advice, here.
The original question, approximately, was:
In Jamerson's bassline on "It's The Same Old Song", is it mostly open strings in the opening bars? In particular D & A. He used a lot of open strings, but it sounds better with fretted notes.
Now Jimmy claims that he doesn't play any Motown like Jamerson did, and his fiend, EdwardG, claims that it's a "fool's errand" to care if the strings are open or stopped.
I, for one, would like to hear other people's opinions on sflajimmy's post, not from people who have nothing to offer but a dismissal of the gentleman's post.
And, Jimmy, lay off the prune juice, buddy. Your last comment was pure Verbal Diarrhea, LOL!
The original question, approximately, was:
In Jamerson's bassline on "It's The Same Old Song", is it mostly open strings in the opening bars? In particular D & A. He used a lot of open strings, but it sounds better with fretted notes.
Now Jimmy claims that he doesn't play any Motown like Jamerson did, and his fiend, EdwardG, claims that it's a "fool's errand" to care if the strings are open or stopped.
I, for one, would like to hear other people's opinions on sflajimmy's post, not from people who have nothing to offer but a dismissal of the gentleman's post.
And, Jimmy, lay off the prune juice, buddy. Your last comment was pure Verbal Diarrhea, LOL!
Nobody dismissed anything. It was all in your head. All I said is it doesn't make any difference if you play it on open or closed strings, and not to worry so much about stuff like that. YOU are the one who considered it a direct insult and affront on your delicate sensibilities. Now quit bothering me.
I, for one, totally agree with JimmyM. I don't see the big deal.
If you want to immerse yourself in everything Jamerson that's cool too, but it ain't necessary.
I like The Police and Sting, but that doesn't mean I have to take up Yoga and start huggin' trees to get the Sting vibe going...not that there's anything wrong with Yoga or tree huggin'
well, thand, your friend Jimmy made it a big deal when he wrote "don't get too wrapped up in the minutiae"; as if anybody was wrapped up in anything. you're exaggerators trying to support one another. i can read music or improvise music in any genre - why can't you? I see you have nothing constructive to add either. and by the way, your least powerful trait is obviously logic, because if you read what you wrote, with a critical mind, you'd see that it says very little, except that you agree with your brother Jimmy. Both you and edwardG agree with Jimmy that bassists should not analyze the music of the great ones. you don't see the big deal, but you make a big deal of saying that it's not a big deal, LOL! in fact, you even post comments based completely on that weak premise without having anything interesting to offer. i don't like to say that you're boorish, but... and hypocritical, because everything you play on your bass has been played before. i mean, none of you are Carol Kayes (as Jimmy said "she is an angry older person who can't stand the thought of anyone thinking differently than her). Sounds a bit like you three, don't it? Have you ever thought that maybe you're just jealous of a generation of achievers who created all the music and left none for you? and i suppose you think that classical musicians are also wrong because they can play an artist's work exactly as he intended it to be note-for-note? what a cop-out. in your world, it's illegal to study Bach or Beethoven at a conservatory level. try to sell that line to the upright bassists. they'd laugh you out for being so short sighted. in fact, the question begs to be asked, do you people even read music, or is that, in your words, too "minutiae" and "fools errand"? before you defend your brother, you should determine if he is right, all right?
Hey CrackerJackLee, JimmyM is a pro musician playing the groovy role in a great band. He contributes significantly to all levels of players on this site and has helped me re-think a number of issues about our Art and I thank him for that. There are roles for improvisers, groove players (like JimmyM) and pit technicians (your aspiration, it seems). All those roles are valid, but they're not likely to view the Art similarly. I think you should apologize, man. You'll feel better in the morning.
And, your signature includes this citation. "To see all sides one must change their point of view." Interesting, phenomenologically.
And, your signature includes this citation. "To see all sides one must change their point of view." Interesting, phenomenologically.
Tell me where I said you shouldn't analyze the music of the great ones. Nobody said any such thing. Again, I said don't get caught up in the minutiae of fingerings, using flatwounds, using one finger, and that stuff. But absolutely analyze the music. Sheesh! You can't see the difference?
Now you're just ranting maniacally.
Jamerson ain't Bach, and neither are you. You're comparing a completely formal type of music where several people have to play notes in unison to a type of music far removed from that level of formality where the players are writing their own parts.
Seriously, you need to get a grip. You accuse me and the others who supported me of having giant egos without being able to back them up, yet you know zip about any of us. Yet your ego is 10 times as big as mine and mine is pretty big. You are completely freaking out. Well, you go ahead and have a good time freaking out. I have to rest up for my gig in the Bronx in front of Mayor Bloomberg later this afternoon.
Wow.
Ok grampa, first I don't think JimmyM made a big deal of anything.
Secondly, you can read and improvise? well I obviously tread in the presence of greatness.
Why can't I?? oh, yeah opps...I can tooMaybe your Alzheimer's is kicking in, but YOU asked for opinions. You're just pissed off that you got ANOTHER one that doesn't agree with you. It says very little except that I agree with Jimmy, because that IS what I was saying. I think he covered it pretty well.
Nobody said the greats shouldn't be studied. But I am pretty pissed at all of the insults you threw at me just for saying I didn't see the big deal at not being a perfect copycat(which is what you want to be...just a copycat)
The last thing I want to do is disrespect Carol Kaye. Jimmy makes his comments based on personal experiences. But I assure you pal, I have a great life and a great family and I wouldn't trade anything I have to be Carol Kaye..I promise you that, bud. I'm doing ok by most anybody's standards.
Not even a related topic, old man. And YOU claim that YOU have a critical mind????riiiight. You are just making up crap. I love classical music. Jamerson is not in the same league with Beethovan, Bach, or Mozart. You should try reality one day.
why yes I can, thank you very much!
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The day I take advice from a bitter over-the-hill Canadian, you'll see Satan selling home-grown icecubes.
JimmyM is right. All right??
Deal with it.
I agree it is good to learn all types of music styles and also play too along with recorded music to help develop your ear training. But don't fret over the fact you can't make it sound as good (or bad )as the original bassist did, that shouldn't be the point. Then again, I can't even imitate myself very good on my own things I played when I was younger
Sometimes the easier sounding bass line is the hardest to play. Having said that, I think James Jamerson's bassline on the Temptations song "My Girl" ranks right up there with any other one. I think it is a good example of playing solid, sounding good, and playing what the song needs rather than showing off your chops...I think there's a lesson there...
Sometimes the easier sounding bass line is the hardest to play. Having said that, I think James Jamerson's bassline on the Temptations song "My Girl" ranks right up there with any other one. I think it is a good example of playing solid, sounding good, and playing what the song needs rather than showing off your chops...I think there's a lesson there...
Nah, thank you.
Hopefully this guy slept it off and feels better today
As for helping the original poster...
go here : http://www.ricksuchow.com/press-group-250.html
email Rick for the password(because of legality w/Motown) and study the actual isolated Jamerson bass tracks.
Hopefully this guy slept it off and feels better today
As for helping the original poster...
go here : http://www.ricksuchow.com/press-group-250.html
email Rick for the password(because of legality w/Motown) and study the actual isolated Jamerson bass tracks.
I've got a Motown book that has both tab and standard notation. I try to always ignore the tab.
While learning "For once in my life" I noticed I unconsciously used the open strings quite a bit. I went back and looked down at the tab to see how it recommended fingering. It had you jumping all over the place fretting notes.
It just didn't seem too practical.
I find playing it using open strings helped my touch by causing me to play each string/note evenly.
While learning "For once in my life" I noticed I unconsciously used the open strings quite a bit. I went back and looked down at the tab to see how it recommended fingering. It had you jumping all over the place fretting notes.
It just didn't seem too practical.
I find playing it using open strings helped my touch by causing me to play each string/note evenly.
Mark Wilson
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I'm keeping this closed.
if you two have problems with each other, or want to sort this out (hopefully, in a mature way?) then take it to PM.
if you two have problems with each other, or want to sort this out (hopefully, in a mature way?) then take it to PM.
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