Just hit 400 hours!

I wonder how many hours it takes to just "not suck." That's my nearer-term goal, and I hope to hit it before I'm 75.

 

You can actually ‘not suck’ right now!!!

Using my system, I base performance and where I stand on how much I enjoy it. So I’m not comparing myself to those guys who have memorized the entire bass orchestra repertoire, play perfectly in tune and bow anything expertly. There’s always somebody better, somebody worse.

As long as I’m enjoying playing, I’m way more successful than those guys who play better but are not as happy.
(there are many unhappy symphony pro’s out there)

I base this thinking from my long ago competitive sports experiences. I found the folks who ran marathons under 3 hours the most uptight and unhappy of all. The ones over 4 hours (me) were having a ball. Same experience with my road bike racing. I raced criterium races until I was 60 and totally happy to finish in the pack, often comprised of fit 20 year olds. The keeners were only having fun, or did not ‘suck’, if they were winning or destroying the competition.

 

maybe this study is relevant...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-facial-software-olympic-medal-happier.html

Steve

 

Don't worry about me, Casey. My newfound "career" as an orchestral bassist is giving me more enjoyment than should be legal, and I take my small steps towards not-suckingness with patience and humor.

AND ... I submitted a piece I wrote to our director, and the orchestra is going to play it. I'm pumped!

 

Not sure how many hours I’m at. I’m easily in the thousands. I guess I’ll never know.

 

If you were counting, maybe you aren't enjoying it...

 

I was reading something about the study of tai chi that suggested that it was necessary to “invest in loss”. In other words—embrace the suck, don’t fight it.

 

One of the sayings about getting older is that your long term memory becomes clearer (even though your short term memory asks you why you tried to put the kettle in the refrigerator !!). I have been looking back at my diaries that have gathered dust since 1975 to the present and seeing the constant flurry of daily family life with teaching at home and the pressure of working in a big 52 weeks/year orchestra. Much of that pressure dropped when I left the orchestra in 2002, to be replaced with more teaching and playing in local orchestras. One result of seeing so many more students and their personalities has been time to try and distill all my teaching experience and teaching ideas into a simpler, more direct form. My aim has become to provide the How To and Why in ways that the student understands very clearly as they progress. The bass and bow can also instruct you in many ways what they need if you look down and listen carefully.

What I am saying is probably obvious already to you teachers? The end game too - in whatever form of music or ensemble to confidently play all the notes in time, in tune, musically and in style. Easy !! (ha ha).

I see the process of teaching/learning the bass as trying to weave your way logically and very clear sightedly between and through six different areas -
Left Hand function and development
Right Hand function and development
Combining the two hands
Mapping the fingerboard
Reading the music
Developing musicality and expression

Admittedly without having read about it I do not accept Malcom Gladwell’s theory of 10k hours to mastery. If the knowledge, experience and careful choice of structure and words I have now acquired were available to me as a student 58 years ago they would have focused me in a way that would have saved many thousands of hours over many years to follow. C'est la vie. "The Older You Get The More You Know and The Less People Listen." Back to Sudoku and crossword puzzles for me while Covid has shut us down here!

Cheers all, get vaccinated and keep safe. DP

Ps Like Casey says, have fun too !

 

I don't know anything about Gladwell's theory other than 10,000 hours, so I may be missing something significant in it. The other important piece is this: Deep involvement in learning and improvement of one's craft.

The most skilled craft I developed in life is computer programming. I was good at it not only because of the thousands of hours I spent doing it but because I dug deep into everything about it and always looked for the most elegant solution. I've worked with plenty of people with lots of experience who did the same mediocre things over and over. They were good enough to be employed but they were not ... masters.

 

I think we should all lighten up! The bass is a frighteningly difficult instrument to play, and the 10,000 hours does not necessarily apply anyway. I think it actually refers to "hours of DIRECTED STUDY" not practice! Relax and enjoy, like Casey and AGCurry

 

We're supposed to be keeping track of our "...hours"?
Nobody told me 47 yrs. ago!
Thanks(?)

 

One of the studies that Gladwell relied on when he formulated this idea was about students in top music programs, and one of the co-authors of the study was in an interview about a year ago (specifically, Anders Ericsson, and he died about a month after the interview was put online) and mentioned that Gladwell forgot to take into account how good of a teacher a person has. Like what David is talking about up there, a good teacher who can assess the student and really help them figure out where to go next and how to get there is going to get them to "mastery" with a lot fewer hours needed than a student who ends up stalling out because their teacher can't figure out how to get them moving.

Also, the whole idea of it being "practice" neglects, at least, what Ericsson was studying: deliberate, high-concentration practice well beyond the extent of one's comfort zone. Anything spent in terms of maintenance of already-gained skills doesn't necessarily count under that idea, so the hours increase again. Decrease with a good teacher. Decrease again with actual performance, as well, because something that a lot of people forget about in both Gladwell's book and some of the studies related to it is that performance in whatever field counts towards those 10,000 hours that he asserts are necessary; one example he uses is just how much the Beatles performed in Hamburg.

Increase (or further decrease, depending) the hours again when you take into account the idea of accumulative advantage (the rich get richer and the poor get poorer) that he talks about, and so on and so forth as the "number" of hours continues to go up and down worse than a poorly chosen investment portfolio.