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Just tried flatwounds strings for the first time

I'm most interested in how you ended up getting MECs, as you state they are, into a grind. I see what looks like custom wood pickup holders on your bass... not stock to the grind (at least mine doesn't have them), and those are not stock grind pickups for sure, but I also don't recognize them as MECs, but all the warwicks I owned had mecs that were clearly stamped "MEC" on the covers, and didn't have those shapes or rounded edges. That doesn't mean those are not MECs, it just means that I'm wondering what model they are. Or do you mean it has a MEC preamp added, and those are some other kind of pickup? I'm always interested.... one day I may replace (or maybe not) the pickups on my grind.
 
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I only use flats on one bass, a ‘13 MIM Fender Pbass. I put Chromes on it six years ago and they will be on it for many years to come. They are a great combination.

I play Tbirds mostly and tried flats, including EBCFs, Rotos and Fenders, on some of my Birds. But I went back to stainless steel rounds (SIT Power Steels and Dunlop Marcus Miller Stainless Steel Superbrights) for the tone I crave. YMMV.
 
I'm most interested in how you ended up getting MECs, as you state they are, into a grind. I see what looks like custom wood pickup holders on your bass... not stock to the grind (at least mine doesn't have them), and those are not stock grind pickups for sure, but I also don't recognize them as MECs, but all the warwicks I owned had mecs that were clearly stamped "MEC" on the covers, and didn't have those shapes or rounded edges. That doesn't mean those are not MECs, it just means that I'm wondering what model they are. Or do you mean it has a MEC preamp added, and those are some other kind of pickup? I'm always interested.... one day I may replace (or maybe not) the pickups on my grind.

Yes I have pretty heavily modified my grind. It has a 3-band preamp, and I swap between a couple of sets of active pickups. The custom inserts around the pickups is actually so I can route for standard VFL4 like in Cirrus and the inserts cover the mess. That said, I actually have not routed for that yet. If you want to try put JB pickups in your Grind it is easy to do and you do not need to route anything. You simply position the JB pickups in the existing routing and the put an empty soapbar cover which you can get from AliExpress for about $3 for set of two. Here is the picture, ignore the routing for the insert, you will not need it.
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This is why you do not recognize this as MEC pickup....

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Yes I have pretty heavily modified my grind. It has a 3-band preamp, and I swap between a couple of sets of active pickups. The custom inserts around the pickups is actually so I can route for standard VFL4 like in Cirrus and the inserts cover the mess. That said, I actually have not routed for that yet. If you want to try put JB pickups in your Grind it is easy to do and you do not need to route anything. You simply position the JB pickups in the existing routing and the put an empty soapbar cover which you can get from AliExpress for about $3 for set of two. Here is the picture, ignore the routing for the insert, you will not need it.
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This is why you do not recognize this as MEC pickup....

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omg that's brilliant! What a great way to fit different pickups in there!!! I appreciate the time you took in teaching me about this.... THANK YOU
 
omg that's brilliant! What a great way to fit different pickups in there!!! I appreciate the time you took in teaching me about this.... THANK YOU
Well the choice of you can try is limited, but anything that is smaller than your existing pickups will work. For Grind4 you can try JB, P90, maybe even strat pickups if you want. With JB pups you just loosely install the on foam or springs, on screws so it does not shift lateraly. Use the empty to set the height of the pickup. Obviously the thickness of the empty is about 1/16, so you'd set the height minus that or just set as per spec... 1/16 does not really change anything and the plastic of the empty does not affect the sound. You can of course simply glue the pickup inside the empty and use the result as a standard soapbar.
You can also buy empties for EMG style, Peavey VFL4 like in Cirrus and install jazz bass pups in the bases that have those routings... Thankfully, JB pups is very small and will fit in basically any bass.
 
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Well the choice of you can try is limited, but anything that is smaller than your existing pickups will work. For Grind4 you can try JB, P90, maybe even strat pickups if you want. With JB pups you just loosely install the on foam or springs, on screws so it does not shift lateraly. Use the empty to set the height of the pickup. Obviously the thickness of the empty is about 1/16, so you'd set the height minus that or just set as per spec... 1/16 does not really change anything and the plastic of the empty does not affect the sound. You can of course simply glue the pickup inside the empty and use the result as a standard soapbar.
You can also buy empties for EMG style, Peavey VFL4 like in Cirrus and install jazz bass pups in the bases that have those routings... Thankfully, JB pups is very small and will fit in basically any bass.
thank you.
 
Just threw some cheap flatwounds strings on my bass. Actually, I am not even sure if they are flatwound. They say "Strings for fretless electric bass", but they fill as if there are no windings at all so I go with assumption that they are flatwound. This was my first time touching flatwounds. I am quite impressed with those. With MEC active JB pickups on my bass, I always tone down the roundwound strings as I feel that there is too much brightness. Also E and A strings sounded a lot louder and boomier on 12th through 15th than any other strings. With these flatwounds, the sound is a lot more balanced and even across the board. I also notice that with these strings, the notes intonate much better across the board as well. I do not have light touch and get into plucking very hard sometimes. The fretwork on my bass allows me 2mm on the 12th with most rounds. With these, I can easily lower to 1.75mm and pluck even harder. The harmonics seems to be louder and more even across the board. I also kind of like the smooth feel which help adds to playability I think. Slides are also less tonally "bumpy" which I also like a lot better.
Not sure if these cheap strings are pretty good or if I try something more premium I get blown away even more ... Oh and the headstock looks very pretty with that black silk extending almost to the nut...
By the way, I did not read anything about how to string with this, but I felt like cutting of through silk will be a bad move as silk will probably fray especially that I did not know if I keep those or take them off and put the rounds back. So I used my wire ferrule crimps and crimp those on before cutting. I think it ended up pretty clean and still fits in the pegs. The silk on the cut-off piece started to fray and unwind right away so I think my call was correct. The witness points on the bridge ended up looking a bit sketchy, not sure if it is normal. Here some pictures.
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The silk looks just like those on Dunlop fretless strings. I just picked up a set of Dunlop's and they sound great just a pain to keep the silk from unwinding. Had to bend then crazy glue the silk - then cut, they keep coming off.

But I looked at a set of Alice on Ebay - now $20 a set.
 
The silk looks just like those on Dunlop fretless strings. I just picked up a set of Dunlop's and they sound great just a pain to keep the silk from unwinding. Had to bend then crazy glue the silk - then cut, they keep coming off.

But I looked at a set of Alice on Ebay - now $20 a set.

Maybe the crimping method is not as useless as it might appear.... Although if you do not just randomly take the strings off, it is not a problem I guess
 
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