Well, there are a lot of people who would say that the use off choke chains or electric shock collars on dogs are inhumane, where as most of those people probably would use a regular leash with collar for walking their dogs.
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Kids on leashes
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Well, there are a lot of people who would say that the use off choke chains or electric shock collars on dogs are inhumane, where as most of those people probably would use a regular leash with collar for walking their dogs.
Sorry, man. I wasn't trying to do that.
maki said:
I also have not had to use a tether/leash on either of my kids - but I have also been lucky in that my kids have never bolted into traffic. That's not to say they're so "well trained" that in a moment of exuberance they wouldn't - that is to say that I've been lucky enough to have never experienced such a thing and now that they are older, there is far less a chance that such a thing might happen.
MatticusMania said:
Indeed there are - and I find that many of those people are reacting to their feelings about such training devices rather than the reality of their proper use - as I am sure you know.
Its all good man, I know youre an intelligent person and I respect your opinions.
I dont know, personally. Im not the biggest dog person, and dont have much experience training them. I made the comment in reply to Anchor Hoy saying that if you put your kid on a leash one might as well use a choke chain or electric collar on their kid, which I thought was ridiculous. Im not against the use of them in regards to training animals, though I dont know if I would employ those methods myself.
Point taken
Ultimately though, all such methods of "restraining" a dog are considered perfectly acceptable to society at large. There are few (if any) laws against it. In certain situations, the law even requires it. The point I was trying to make is that while the vast majority of people who keep dogs may talk a mean game about how much they "love" their animals, they don't seem to have any problem with buying and selling them like any other piece of property, or even intentionally killing them if they are sufficiently "bad"
I don't like the idea of extending even a small part of that same mindset to human beings under any. circumstances. whatsoever.
The leash thing is Step #1. All else logically follows
IMHO it is best to not go there Ever
I see your point about many folks treating dogs simply like property to be bought/sold/destroyed, etc. Yeah, I agree that there's a lot of that. I hate that.
But the comparison to a parent using a leash on their kid as "the first step to this sort of thing"....wow, that's really way way off base.
If anything it can actually be the opposite where a parent's going overboard to keep their kids safe. No comparison by a long shot.
That was my mindset when I bought one years ago - as I said, my oldest son was a bit of a handful when he was little. He would run off, bolt towards anything of interest. I would firmly hold his hand, then he'd be struggling, trying to twist his arm out of my hand, I'd pick him up and he'd start screaming and shrieking....bad scene. I bought the leash figuring that if we're ever somewhere like a zoo, or near water where he can fall in, or even just a really crowded place (think Seaside Boardwalk in Summer), I would use it and pretty much poke a middle finger at anyone who judged me for it. Fortunately, he outgrew that stage really fast and we never had to do so.
So, my point is that, a leash may very well be a sign of a lazy parent, but conversely maybe even one who's a bit over-cautious at times. It's really hard to make the judgment unless you know more about the situation.
Notice I said 'some' parents, not 'all' parents. I understand fully that there are circumstance of which I am not aware that would necessitate a leash for a child. There are plenty of single parents out there, and even more than you would think grandparents raising their grandchildren these days. Finding the energy to raise them is even tougher than ever.
FYI we have a son who is turning eight soon, and I can tell you that he's never run off in a public place. Have we had some close calls? Sure. But proper discipline and discussions allows our son to act as he should. No leash required. That was my point.
You're kidding, right?
A world where a parent has enough authority over their children to keep them from wandering off and pays enough mind to keep watch over them at all times is that perfect world known as a Utopia.
No.
Because NO parent has enough control over a toddler to prevent these things from occasionally happening without some sort of restraint.
Anyone who believes they had that level of control, just got lucky to never find out they were wrong.
...and restraint is restraint - is putting a leash on a kid to keep them from running into traffic any different from restraining them in a carrier, or seat belting them into a stroller?
Then I must have been raised on an island or something.
But the topic isnt about some sort of restraint, its about Kid Leashes. Yeah, my parents pushed me in a stroller when I wasnt capable of walking, and I was restrained via whatever device was employed by the stroller to keep me from falling out, not from running off without warning.
As someone with two kids, I highly doubt that.
I think you folks are failing to take into account the learning and retention abilities as well as the inability to suss the consequences of actions involved with toddlers.
If we're talking about an 8 year old - teachable means something. If we're talking about a 2 year old, it means a lot less.
I disagree. In a large part it's about the cognitive dissonance necessary to deem one restraint "bad" while another is "acceptable" even though both do the same thing.
Oh, I bet your parents restrained you LONG after you started walking.
I never stated that Kid Leashes are "bad", just that I think they look foolish and I dont find them necessary. If a parent feels the need to use one, thats fine. I wouldnt use one, myself.
No, not really. If I wasnt in the stroller I was expected to walk and hold someone's hand. I was certainly never put on a leash.
I will grant you this or a similar exception. Otherwise, I hate them. They are your children, not pets.
Don't put a cute little outfit on your dog, either.
