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Krappy Guitars... Anyobody Play a Touchboard?

Count Bassie

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I'm considering moving some gear to be able to get one built. I've got a design I want, and a concept, playing-wise.
I'd be interested in hearing some stories, testimonials about them. Is this the Wishbass of touch instruments, or a revelation?...

Pix, clips, vids and tales welcome!

Thanks for your time.
 
I have one, it's ok for starters, I guess, but it needs serious fretwork up high, going to have to get it PLEKed. To be honest, I'm disappointed. Much happier since I got a real Stick. ;)
 
Why would I spend $800 for a "starter" instrument? I've been playing bass for 42 years, and none of my basses cost me that much.
Ok, interesting to read the other side.
Because a professionally made Chapman Stick or Warr guitar costs $2500.00-$4000.00!
Compared to that price,$800.00 is a steal!!
 
Still, I'm wishing I had just saved my money a bit longer and gone for the real thing from the start.
I had one back in 2008.
It's a small investment to find out if I had the brains and persistence to learn for an instrument dedicated to two handed tapping.
Sadly,I had to sell it.

But I did learn one thing.
That I should have ordered a ten string tapper instead of twelve.
The spacing of twelve was too tight for my fingertips to tap cleanly.
 
Much happier since I got a real Stick.
Still, I'm wishing I had just saved my money a bit longer and gone for the real thing from the start.
I do not like this type of language when discussing Sticks and other tapper brands.

A Krappy or other non-Stick brand of tapper is not an 'unreal' or 'invalid' Stick, it is just another brand.
A Stick is not 'the real version' of tappers from other brands.
Other brands of tappers are not ripoffs or copies, they have different designs that do not infringe on Stick Enterprises' patents or trademarks.

This is like writing "i used to have an Ibanez, but now i am much happier since i got a real Fender".
Other brands of tapper are far more different to a Stick than an Ibanez 6 string electric guitar is from a Fender 6 string electric guitar.
 
I do not like this type of language when discussing Sticks and other tapper brands.

A Krappy or other non-Stick brand of tapper is not an 'unreal' or 'invalid' Stick, it is just another brand.
A Stick is not 'the real version' of tappers from other brands.
Other brands of tappers are not ripoffs or copies, they have different designs that do not infringe on Stick Enterprises' patents or trademarks.

This is like writing "i used to have an Ibanez, but now i am much happier since i got a real Fender".
Other brands of tapper are far more different to a Stick than an Ibanez 6 string electric guitar is from a Fender 6 string electric guitar.
Fair enough, and true, but if you wanted a Fender and settled for what you could afford, well one day you finally got what you really wanted, and your facsimile was replaced with the real thing.
Also I'd offer that Kevin calls his instruments "Krappy", which is likely just being punk-facetious, but that's what they're called. Frankly I find it a little challenging. I mean, I get on with the punk thing, but I also would like to see a little more dignity in the presentation. Ive got a couple basses that have been through some business, but none of them are what I'd call crap. But if the build is good, it looks trim, the construction is integral, and it does the gig without duct tape holding bits of it together, then I can handle filling in the blanks.
So what we have here is the "Bad News Bears" of the touchboard scene. I'm ok with that.
 
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Fair enough, and true, but if you wanted a Fender and settled for what you could afford, well one day you finally got what you really wanted, and your facsimile was replaced with the real thing.
Also I'd offer that Kevin calls his instruments "Krappy", which is likely just being punk-facetious, but that's what they're called. Frankly I find it a little challenging. I mean, I get on with the punk thing, but I also would like to see a little more dignity in the presentation. Ive got a couple basses that have been through some business, but none of them are what I'd call crap. But if the build is good, it looks trim, the construction is integral, and it does the gig without duct tape holding bits of it together, then I can handle filling in the blanks.
So what we have here is the "Bad News Bears" of the touchboard scene. I'm ok with that.
He does state on his site that more care and skill go into the making of the touchstyle instruments than the "Punkrods"
 
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So I have a 10 string Krappy that I bought as a starter to see if I could manage a touch instrument.
At the time I bought it (about 3-4 years ago) Kevin Seibold (the luthier behind Krappy) I think he had built somewhere north of a 150+ instruments. So I assumed that he'd had some mistakes, learned some lessons, and had improved as a builder, etc. I spent a lot of time looking for reviews and such, didn't find alot, one really bad one from 2008. Because of the above I decided it was worth a shot.

I paid $800 including shipping for a 10 string. Kevin was very attentive during the design and build process asking questions, etc. to ensure that I was going to get an instrument that was as close to what I wanted. So what did I get? I got a very affordable, playable instrument to try to learn touchstyle playing. Now I've never touched a stick or a warr or any other touchstyle instrument. If I ever do I imagine that the switch will be similar to moving from an acoustic guitar to electric. lower strings, "easier to play", etc.

First I'll say that the build and fit of the instrument are great. the fretboard was nicely finished and uniformly playable (no high frets, no sharp fret edges, etc.). Where Kevin saves most of the money is on the finish. the instruments are sanded fine and then sealed with layers of oil. So essentially it is a raw wood instrument, it does require some re-oiling from time to time. He also saves on components. The pickups are cheap but serviceable humbuckers, the pots actually seem pretty good, smooth operation and not noisy. the tuners are again on the cheap side but again work just fine. The control cavity and trussrod covers are a simple black plastic that's textured on one side.

Now it's important to note that you can send components to Kevin for your build and he will use those. So if you want particular tuners or pickups it generally should not be a problem to have them on your instrument.

There are some things I didn't like about the build but overall it was well worth the $800 that I paid for it. And Kevin is great to work with.

Things I didn't/don't like:
1. The headstock is a little small and this makes the tuning gears cramped.
2. Uses a traditional nut so you're stuck with the tuning you choose during the build.
I fixed this by adding a zero fret and a "nut" that is just a guide to keep the the
strings spaced correctly. I also added some sting trees for spacing and increasing pressure over the zero fret.
3. control knobs for volume/tone were really cheap (easy and cheap to fix).

By this point Kevin has built many more instruments so I'm sure his builds are even better than when I bought mine. I'd say if you're on the fence you should at least talk to Kevin.

Here's a pic of mine:
 
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So I have a 10 string Krappy that I bought as a starter to see if I could manage a touch instrument.
At the time I bought it (about 3-4 years ago) Kevin Seibold (the luthier behind Krappy) I think he had built somewhere north of a 150+ instruments. So I assumed that he'd had some mistakes, learned some lessons, and had improved as a builder, etc. I spent a lot of time looking for reviews and such, didn't find alot, one really bad one from 2008. Because of the above I decided it was worth a shot.

I paid $800 including shipping for a 10 string. Kevin was very attentive during the design and build process asking questions, etc. to ensure that I was going to get an instrument that was as close to what I wanted. So what did I get? I got a very affordable, playable instrument to try to learn touchstyle playing. Now I've never touched a stick or a warr or any other touchstyle instrument. If I ever do I imagine that the switch will be similar to moving from an acoustic guitar to electric. lower strings, "easier to play", etc.

First I'll say that the build and fit of the instrument are great. the fretboard was nicely finished and uniformly playable (no high frets, no sharp fret edges, etc.). Where Kevin saves most of the money is on the finish. the instruments are sanded fine and then sealed with layers of oil. So essentially it is a raw wood instrument, it does require some re-oiling from time to time. He also saves on components. The pickups are cheap but serviceable humbuckers, the pots actually seem pretty good, smooth operation and not noisy. the tuners are again on the cheap side but again work just fine. The control cavity and trussrod covers are a simple black plastic that's textured on one side.

Now it's important to note that you can send components to Kevin for your build and he will use those. So if you want particular tuners or pickups it generally should not be a problem to have them on your instrument.

There are some things I didn't like about the build but overall it was well worth the $800 that I paid for it. And Kevin is great to work with.

Things I didn't/don't like:
1. The headstock is a little small and this makes the tuning gears cramped.
2. Uses a traditional nut so you're stuck with the tuning you choose during the build.
I fixed this by adding a zero fret and a "nut" that is just a guide to keep the the
strings spaced correctly. I also added some sting trees for spacing and increasing pressure over the zero fret.
3. control knobs for volume/tone were really cheap (easy and cheap to fix).

By this point Kevin has built many more instruments so I'm sure his builds are even better than when I bought mine. I'd say if you're on the fence you should at least talk to Kevin.

Here's a pic of mine:
TB isn't letting me see your attachment... Is it possible to send it via pm? I've spoken to Kevin and have been interested in on for a long time.
I'd be interested, after reading your description, in seeing yours.
Thanks.
 

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