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L-o-o-o-ng Status Update

Discussion in 'Rockabilly [DB]' started by DukeCC, Jul 2, 2020.


  1. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    I'm still working on the Blast Cult--getting it worked into the rotation. I haven't made it to the bass shop to get the second sound post put in, but I did foam the f-holes, FB projection, and tailpiece. I've played 2 gigs with it since--the first I found the tone lacking, the second I seemed to have the E, A, and (somewhat) the D dialed in better. The G was not coming through as well. It occurred to me the clicky pickup should add a little bit of the G back in, so I ordered that from Gollihur, receiving it in usual quick time. Installed it last night--I think I am getting just enough of the G to get the tone somewhat balanced. In the right hands I think it would be about 75% of the way to being a pretty convincing slap monster.

    But, with the Pirazzi Gold strings that I chose to hopefully give me a good pizz tone, and the RB Pro dialed in for a more balanced sound, I feel like I am getting close to that sort of all purpose sound I was going for. I suppose that on a different bass that would be easier to get--I am thinking the Blast Cult tends to color/deaden the sound a bit--even with just one sound post.

    I don't feel like I have it quite up to the level of pizz tone that it had with the BC Low Life strings that were on it when I got it. But I should be able to get close. And it seems to slap a whole lot better.

    I've noticed on both basses the RB Pro clicky input seems to be sensitive. The sweet spot is about 3 o'clock on the input dial. At about 3:15 it goes from solid clicks to full-on psycho-billy click monster. But it's still easy enough to dial in. And on both basses I noticed the clicky location seems to be pretty forgivable. Not a lot of response/tone change at different spots, per my experience.

    At that 2nd gig I was humping that E string in a small club and it just seemed to fill the whole space--nice and deep and solid with good sustain and the feedback easily controllable. So that is encouraging. The A was right there with it. The main change was just to scoop the mids more--although I am not a fan of extreme EQ-ing. Selah. When I switched to EB I noticed the tone was off a bit, so I'll need to sort that out more. 2 outdoor gigs coming up this weekend--one with band PA, one with what should be a substantial sound system. So we'll see how it goes.

    To re-cap, what I'm doing is moving from playing my comfortable, cheap, reliable old CCB to what should be a better-sounding (and is definitely a better-playing!) Blast Cult. My goal is to play DB 3/4 of the gig--with only about 1/164th of that time spent slapping, lol. As it was I was only motivated to play DB on about 7 or 8 songs. Better playability = play on more songs. Music style is trad country/outlaw country.

    Old:
    FMI SB45, Shadow Bridge P/U, Shadow Click, Shadow RB Pro pre, Superior Bassworks Dirty/Red guts, f-hole plugs. Flamed and stickered by me, because that always helps.

    New:
    Blast Cult 145, BC Monolux Bridge P/U, Shadow Click, Shadow RB Pro pre, Evah Pirazzi Gold strings, f-holes-tailpiece-FB projection all foamed. No flames, no stickers, because--No!

    I have 2 clickies--one on each bass--rather than figuring out a way to move back/forth. Since I'm still not 100% committed--lol.

    I play through a Fender Bassman 800 into a Fender Neo 410 cab--or 2 of them for a big outdoor show with no extra PA support (rare). I have the DB feeding a separate DOD Bass EQ pedal into a Fender A/B switcher. I use the EQ mainly to match levels, and to scoop any ringiness if it appears. EB goes through a Boss tuner, DOD compressor, DOD chorus into the switcher.

    Thanks for reading. It helps me to write this stuff down occasionally, and any feedback/advice I get is always good/appreciated. And if it helps other people along their path, then great. I'm OK with being either an example of what TO do or what NOT to do!
     
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  2. Evah Pirazzi Gold = Evah Slaps?
     
  3. dhergert

    dhergert Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2018
    Blue Zone, California
    Thanks for posting, very interesting to see the variety of setups!

    Re: getting that G to ring...

    I'm still using the same old SBW medium range D&G that I put on my Alcoa the month after I bought it (January 2018). The SBW D is really live and matches the tone and power of my SilverSlaps E and A extremely well. The SBW G might be a little more reserved but in playing I tend to hit it harder at the beginning of the stroke, so acoustically it comes out pretty well balanced, and amp'ed it matches the other strings extremely well.

    For piezos, I'm using a Vic's model C into a K&K Dual Channel Pro ST. I've specifically moved my bridge wing pickup to the G side, mostly because the E side was way too strong, but I'm sure this also helps balance my G better. This is probably the most important thing I've done for my G. (The Deuce-I bridge allows easy piezo switching to either bridge wing.)

    Regarding the fingerboard piezo for slap, I've also mounted the click pickup simply sandwiched between two layers of velcro that run the length of the underside of my fingerboard, so I can easily move the click piezo wherever I want for tone. On my Alcoa, the Vic's model C click pickup was actually sensitive to a point of being unbalanced when directly attached to the fingerboard, it works perfectly between the velcro strips, so volume isn't a problem.

    I also have a mounted Sennheiser e604 for a separate clean mic output that I can use for more sensitive amping or DI'ing.

    I'm using a single sound post but it's a custom affair that is mounted on an aluminum plate that has 4 wooden feet that contact the top, spread across the underside of the top plate basically around the bridge...

    The big difference from your setup is that I rarely play in the "crazy loud" range. I will usually amp loud enough to be heard against other moderately amp'ed instruments, and I tend to use the piezos to play louder without feedback, and/or when I specifically want a more electric tone. In this period of time, still being partially shutdown in California, with a few outdoor church gigs and jamming in person or online, most of my playing lately is either purely acoustic or sensitively mic'ed using my Senn e604. So other than having the back plate deadened with acoustical paint to reduce metallic tone, my Alcoa is setup to be free to resonate. Even the 4-footed sound post arrangement has noticeably increased volume and resonance.
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2020
  4. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    Thanks for the reply. Good to see moving the pup to the g side is an option in particular. I've considered it! Will take a close look at your ideas there. Thanks!
     
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  5. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    Yes--as far as I know. They want to call them 'Gold' because they are 'not just for slappin' any more!' is what I read.
     
  6. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    We did another outdoor gig Saturday and I brought the DB. The improvement is about as much as expected. I couldn't really crank it up though--the BL is just a kid, and he won't listen, and he has a low end rumble/ring coming through his PA that you can hear on acoustic guitar, both basses, and kick drum. He's always had it to some degree, and I've learned to ignore it, but any time something changes and he hears the rumble (he doesn't usually), then he thinks one of us has a problem. Funny, but one of those things that wears on you after a while. One should never give control of the PA to an acoustic guitar player if one can help it. Or somehow slip in a HPF unbeknownst, with the cut set at about what--500Hz? Lol and Selah.
    I am curious to try moving the PUP to the treble side of the bridge, as I could still use a little more output up there. The monolux needs a threaded hole for the screw that tensions the PUP. I may drill that in on the G side, or just see if I can wedge the Shadow PUP in there.
    Actually using the Shadow PUP might be the way to go. I've got 3 PUPs and 2 basses. I may end up putting steel strings on the old black bass and put the Krivo pickup on there, then I won't need the Shadow pickup on that one any more. I need to think about that. I assume the Krivo can go into the Shadow RB Pro OK. Hmm. Something to think about/try.
     
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  7. dhergert

    dhergert Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2018
    Blue Zone, California
    I guess I was lucky with my Deuce-I, it's drilled and tapped on both sides of the bridge, with one screw provided. Very simple to move the PUP to either side and/or experiment with exact PUP mount locations or how it faces. I didn't experiment much, just moving it to the G side and that was clearly enough of an answer for my use.

    Here's where I had it on the E side originally; this was before I replaced the PUP with a newer Vic's Model C. You can see the empty bridge wing and screw hole on the G side, where the PUP resides now. (My Alcoa was wearing tape under the bridge feet then to mark positions, happily that's gone now.)

    I hope it goes that easily for you!
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2020
  8. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    If I have to drill/tap I'll do it on a scrap piece of wood of similar size first! I'm supposed to be a semi-pro woodworker, so it should be fine? lol
     
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  9. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    I had it sounding a touch better last night at sound check. Went to fire it up for the show and no go on the lows--oh no! I broke the end off the little jumper cable I made to connect the blast cult pup to the Shadow. Or rather--somebody did? Weird that it was fine when I put it on the stand and when I picked it back up--nothing. Oh well--I guess I'm not giving it the kid glove treatment either so it could have been me.
     
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  10. Is this still acurate? Or are you using Shadow Pickups now?
    I love the BC pickups :)
    The tension screw is very convenient.
    Have you tried their Channel Blaster yet? I've got one from the first series, really like it :)
    Their second series (complete tail piece) looks very promising as well.

     
  11. DukeCC

    DukeCC

    Nov 4, 2016
    Indiana
    I plan on going with the Shadow pickup for now--until I replace the adapter cable. Results TBD

    I suspect the BC pickup works best with their preamp. I know it CAN sound pretty good on its own. I was fairly impressed with it when I first got the bass--plugging straight in to the amp, with the BC Low Life strings on it. I would think most people would be satisfied with that tone--if they could get it with low feedback. It also sounded pretty good acoustically. I do worry about that screw loosening/changing position, and changing the tone.

    I also plan on trying it on the treble side of the bridge, FWIW.
     
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