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Lee Sklar sets the record clear: 4 string? 5 string? pick? fingers? fretless?

Warning: long.

I liked the video, but find it more than a little ironic that many of the people rushing to defend Sklar seemed to have also missed Sklar's point.

Let me take on an example here:



That's... a bunch of rules. You know, the thing Sklar himself said we shouldn't be applying here about gear or how to play.

And while I certainly agree that being entirely a support instrument is one way to think about the bass, it is not the only way. Wasn't that Sklar's point?

When people go to a Marcus Miller concert, who's it really about? I'd argue pretty strongly that it's about Marcus Miller, and I also disagree with the idea that somehow automatically makes Miller immature and egotistic. Consider this thread:

Songs where the bass line IS the song.

In a lot of those songs, it actually is about the bass line, and I'm totally OK with that. Given how popular that thread has been, I think it's safe to say there are bass players here on TB who also think that it is, in fact, OK for the bass to be more of a lead instrument... at least some of the time. I think bass is a versatile enough instrument to have more than one single, rigidly-defined role, and that moving outside that narrow definition is not, in fact, indicative of some kind of character flaw.

Sklar himself said your job as a bass player is to do something you enjoy. I take that to mean the whole range, from hammering out three-note Ramones tracks badly in your bedroom with no knowledge about technique or theory to being a session musician on highly technical jazz to being Peter Hook. Play in the pocket if you want to. Play "lead bass" if you want to. It's all good.

And while I don't agree with Spaghetti's tone (dude, seriously, lighten up) or his lack of respect for Sklar, I also have to say that I do agree that the majority of music Sklar has made is... well, let's just say not my cup of tea. DrCheese posted a huge list of albums Sklar worked on, and I think I own none of them. I find most of the stuff on that list just doesn't suit me. Frankly, a lot of it just strikes me as kind of... boring. It leans toward folk/folk-pop—not entirely, obviously, but it leans that way—and that's just not the kind of music I'm into. It doesn't mean Sklar is bad, by any stretch, and I think that's where the criticism went off the rails, but the stuff he tends to play on is not for everyone, myself definitely included.

To wit, when I first started playing, my instructor asked me to generate a list of songs I wanted to learn. Being a little OCD, the next week I brought back a list of about 120 songs, from simple stuff like the Police and Talking Heads to a somewhat more involved stuff like Rush, Yes, Tool, and Level 42. How many were Sklar? Zero. None, nada, zilch, empty set. His enormous body of work just fails to intersect with my interests, both as a listener and as a bass player.

I think the mistake is to confuse what you like and what you respect. There is music I like that I don't particularly respect (we all have guilty pleasures, right?) and there's lots of music out there I respect, but don't particularly like.

Sklar's a great example of the latter. I have tremendous respect for his ability to work with so many people for such a long time, and he seems from what limited information I have like a genuinely decent human being. There's no doubt that he's a talented musician and I'm sure he came up with many of those lines on short order and executed them expertly, something few if any of us here on TB could do—certainly way beyond any skill level I'll ever achieve. He must be great to work with because he sure gets asked back a lot. Major props to him for his obviously illustrious career, clearly respectable... but it doesn't make me enjoy most of his actual music. If someone told me the only songs I'd ever be able to play are songs Sklar played on, I'd probably never pick up a bass again. That'd make me sad, but I'm not gonna spend time playing music I don't like.

Nor, I think, would Lee Sklar himself want me to.


You do realize he is a session musician, a sideman?

Do you have any idea how that works?

You think a session musician picks and chooses the music they are hired to pay? Or do they show up to the session, as their livelihood, and play whatever the session calls for?

You cite Marcus Miller to refute my point that bass is a supporting instrument. Ok, him, Victor Wooten, Adrian Ferraud. Yes, there is a tiny and I mean, tiny group of lead bass players that have bands where they are the main feature, that play mostly to very small audiences of young bassists that idolize them. Sadly, far too many immature bassists end up thinking that this is how it is in the real world, and that they can be the center of attention, too.
 
You do realize he is a session musician, a sideman?

Yes. Well, he started that way, but as Dr.Cheese noted, he's not only that.

You think a session musician picks and chooses the music they are hired to pay?

In general, no. But at this point in his career (and for quite some time before now), yes, Sklar can definitely pick and choose what he wants to work on—he's certainly earned that privilege, wouldn't you agree?

You cite Marcus Miller to refute my point that bass is a supporting instrument.

I did. I also cited a popular thread here on TB where people have pointed to a large number of songs where the bass line is the feature element in the song, i.e., not only a supporting element, but you ignored that.

Look, I don't disagree that bass is primarily used as a supporting instrument—that's obviously true. It is particularly true in the genres that are Sklar's bread-and-butter; i.e., when the main artist is a singer-songwriter type, you certainly don't want the bass stomping all over everything—no argument there.

Where I don't agree is that [1] support is the only possible role for the bass, and [2] having the bass be in some other role automatically means the bassist has some kind of character defect.

Yes, "lead bass" is niche—but it's also not intrinsically wrong. I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to pursue that path if their goal is commercial success, or even success at playing in most bands. If you go into bass playing with the expectation that you get to be the center of attention in a band, that's most likely a recipe for failure.

But I also reject the idea that the only acceptable role for bass is a supporting role. Go listen to "Heart of the Sunrise" and tell me that song is somehow diminished by Squire's leading role. Actually, Squire is another good example here; bass is featured in a lead role in no small number of Yes songs, and Yes was not niche—they played a lot of big arenas for a long, long time. (Yes is not the only band with these properties, either.) According to you, though, that's somehow not OK, because bass is only supposed to be a support and nothing more. I happen to like Yes, particularly the bass-heavy tracks, so I disagree—I think it's fine to have bass in a lead role. Now, having said that, I also think it's something that's very hard to do well—but when done well it's completely fine.

What's ironic here is that, based on what he said in that video, I think Sklar would agree with me. People here are so intent on white knighting for Sklar that they can't be bothered to listen to what he actually had to say. "Bass is exclusively a supporting instrument" is a rule. What Sklar said in that video: "there shouldn't be rules for bass." So which is it?
 
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A session player also usually needs to play what they’re asked to play. I’ve had sessions where I thought I’d nailed a great part only to hear during playback, “no, actually we want less of this and more of that.” Most of the time you’re role is to help the artist actualize their vision, not your own.
Have you had the pleasure of sitting at the engineer console while the producer and lead guitarist coach you on "your" basslines?
Forgive me for going off on a tangent, here. This reminds me of a thing that David Hungate (Nashville session bassist) said many years ago:
Artist: Can you play something like so'n'so would play?
Translation: I really wanted to get so'n'so for this session.
Session player: Can you sing more like George Jones?
Translation: Kiss my a**.
Been told many times what type of sound to dial in for the session.

No one said Lee Sklar yet, but it certainly could happen.

When your sound is recognizable, that people attach your name to it, you've reached the top.

Hendrix
Santana
Claypool
Flea
Sklar
Jamerson
McCartney.....
 
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I really enjoyed today’s video. First that song, Vanessa Carlton’s A Thousand Miles, really has a great bass part. Second, it is really touching to understand how much Lee Sklar respects the music business. I think he is so good because he truly respects each project. He is not mailing it in.Dude is a like a great athlete who never takes a night off. He has the same sort of drive that made Jamerson great, but without the self destructiveness.
 
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You do realize he is a session musician, a sideman?

Do you have any idea how that works?

You think a session musician picks and chooses the music they are hired to pay? Or do they show up to the session, as their livelihood, and play whatever the session calls for?

You cite Marcus Miller to refute my point that bass is a supporting instrument. Ok, him, Victor Wooten, Adrian Ferraud. Yes, there is a tiny and I mean, tiny group of lead bass players that have bands where they are the main feature, that play mostly to very small audiences of young bassists that idolize them. Sadly, far too many immature bassists end up thinking that this is how it is in the real world, and that they can be the center of attention, too.
Bang on. Guys like Lee have spend the bulk of his career as a sideman/session player. It's a different game and a different mindset from being a band member like Chris Squire. There's a skill set in being able to quickly get a song in your head, sometimes with an iffy chart and deliver the goods when the record button is pressed. You have to cover multiple styles and techniques. They might want a tone you don't like or write out a specific part you don't think fits. It's at the discretion of the producer/artist usually. Sometimes you're given freer reign because of who you are or your familiarity with the artist. There's tons of forgotten days where it was just lay it down, get the check and tomorrow's another day.

Bottom line Lee has managed to be the top 1% of the top 1% for decades. He's played on stuff you don't even know it's him because he got called at the 11th hour to bail out a session because someone couldn't cut it. All those session guys did. Might have been Lukather or someone that said there's guys that don't even know they didn't play on their own records because I did and was told to keep quiet.

True the average person has no idea who Lee is. But you've heard him on the radio everyday for 40 years.
 
I liked his videos at first until he started whining like a teenager about facebook. He sounded desperate and it was embarrassing to look at the screen and see this old dude mope like a preteen who'd been grounded from using his x-box. Not a good look.

Apart from that I find his playing, his tone (ESPECIALLY his tone), and overall his basslines to be the epitome of studio session-guy blandness.

I can see why synths took over in his era. Just no pizazz whatsoever; the opposite of a player like Will Lee who always injected some personality, dynamics and tone to make him stand out a bit even when the point of being a session guy was to NOT stand out.

I liked Lee Sklar better when I didn't actually hear him talk or play.
I couldn’t agree more. He should keep his politics to himself. I find his playing very vanilla. Perhaps, it’s his ability to nail things on the first take or something, that makes him a first caller.
 
I couldn’t agree more. He should keep his politics to himself. I find his playing very vanilla. Perhaps, it’s his ability to nail things on the first take or something, that makes him a first caller.

Sklar’s channel is his. I largely agree with his politics, so that is not issue for me, but if he were my complete opposite, it would still be his channel, and he can say what he wants. The man has recorded 25,000 tracks at last count, it is not hard to hear his bass without his political opinions.:D
 
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The coolest part of this whole thing is that not only do we have all of those tracks he played on to listen to, but now as he starts to get older, he's gifting us again not only with some of the bass licks and lines he's created, but he's talking story and it's getting recorded and catalogued. I think that's pretty freakin cool.
 
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I am so impressed with Lee Sklar. He is the kind of great musician that young players should aspire to just like the chops monsters (although this man is by no means lacking in chops.) He is a testament that knowing how to create a part is an incredible skill that has to be developed although it will come naturally more quickly to some than others. People my age are far too late in life to get the greatest benefit from his wisdom, but young players need to really soak up his knowledge. I will just add my own two cents, learn the mechanics of music early. Know your fingerboard, reading, and theory are a thousand times more valuable than a shiny new bass or fancy rig. Over the last fifty years, companies have given Sklar basses and amps because he has the skills to make them sound good, and he will be seen playing them.