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Double Bass Lefty Bass

I feel for you. As you can see by my handle I'm a lefty. Difference is, I learned on a right hand guitar so my basses and guitars are strung upside down! :laugh:
All my life I've felt we're kind of the silent minority that always is passed over. All lefty basses at entry and mid level are black. Like the Ford Model T!
Lefty instruments always cost more probably due to extra tooling and machining.
People never realize how right handed the world is oriented unless they're left handed!
But remember, lefty's are in their "right" state of mind! :smug:
Not all black any longer, I've been looking, colors available these days (that I've seen) include, black, white, blue, dark stain and blond.
 
And don't listen to those who just say "play right handed". That's total dreck. Play bass the way you were meant to. And good luck with your search, it takes time. I have a lefty Shen SB80, which plays and sounds great and suits my needs very nicely when I need to play upright.

Those of us suggesting that you learn right handed aren't suggesting you play bass different than "the way you were meant to". Bass in not inherently a right or left handed instrument. Neither is bass guitar. It's similar to suggesting you go out and get yourself a left handed piano. You could likely get someone to make one for you, but there is no particular handedness advantage. Both your left and right hands have a lot to do on the double bass. Some would suggest you have an advantage if you are left handed on a double bass, because your left hand has to do all of the finger work. Others would suggest you have an advantage as a right handed person, because that hand is (largely) responsible for rhythm, articulation, and the sound you are producing. There is absolutely no benefit, with the exception of someone who experiences lost mobility/strength/digits on their left hand, for anyone to play it in either direction.

Likewise, if you play a similar instrument such as bass guitar "left handed" and feel that the learning curve will be easier when you switch, that's not entirely the case. The left hand and right hand technique (regardless to which one is doing what at this point) on double bass is quite different than it is on electric bass. The scale length is completely different, and even if you have no intention of learning to use a bow, the pizz attack is not the same. As someone who did make a switch from two very similar instruments (french horn-trumpet) with very similar fingering that involved using the opposite hand, it is not that difficult to overcome. At first it might feel a little alien, but if you stick with it it can become just as natural as your other hand. During that time you are learning things like finger/hand shapes, intonation, attack with your pizz/bowing hand etc. anyway. You aren't going to be able to hit the ground running if you find a double bass that is the same handedness as your electric anyway. There will be a learning curve, so why not use that time to make your life significantly easier?

What will be significantly easier? You will have the option of shopping for almost every double bass on the planet, instead of a statistically insignificant amount of left handed instruments you will most likely have to drive, fly, or have shipped to you to get anywhere near them. You will not have to pay a premium to purchase the instrument, or take a gamble on a custom commission that will take months if not years depending on the waiting list of that maker to get around to it. You will have a significantly easier market to sell to when you get around to selling it, and the entire market to shop from if you decide to upgrade. You will have teachers who feel comfortable teaching you, instead of trying to wrap their head around everything being backwards. You will have the option of playing in orchestras and string sections, even if that doesn't seem like something you are interested in right now. Ride a horse, don't go unicorn hunting.

If a person has the money, there will always be a builder for a price. Bear in mind there are a LOT of lefties in the world. Amongst them I'm sure there are other lefty bass players.
I prefer to look for a positive solution, rather than dwelling on all the reasons why something won't happen. Instead of asking why, I ask why not?!

Why spend the extra money, and seek out a builder that might not even make your short list when the other option is you don't have to? For a first instrument, there is a chance that the OP hates double bass and only sticks with it for a month. Why make it next to impossible to sell it again after that?

I am aware that there are a lot of lefties in the world. I am one of them. And I still play a normal double bass. I have nothing against left handed people, and nothing against people who already play the double bass that way for whatever reason they so desire, have pointed out it might be the right option for someone with an injury/chronic pain, and even suggested Upton as a potential source for such an instrument if you really want/need to go down that path. I am simply suggesting that it makes more sense to start a long and difficult journey without creating a needless disadvantage before you have even begun. If sissy kathy was looking for a double bass that wasn't left handed, sissy kathy could very well have an instrument in hand by now and already be learning.

I apologize if this seems strongly worded, extremely opinionated, or against left handed people. That is not my intention. I would very much like sissy kathy to not only succeed in finding an instrument, but to have a long and enjoyable double bass playing career. I am just suggesting that chopping off a foot before you start training for a marathon isn't the best way to get started.
 
Learning to play right handed isn't even open for discussion with me. 1) I'm 65 so I'm not interested in getting in an orchestra or a gig where handedness (orientation) even matters. 2) I have learned that there are things that I'm just not capable of doing right handed, throwing a ball, hand writing, and playing the bass along with other actions. 3) I have learned to do things right handed, batting a ball, and playing brass instruments among others; but at this point in my life I have learned my limitations, playing a stringed instrument right handed is among them.
 
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I'm curious to know why a beginner instrument wouldn't be OK, since you mentioned them. I have a plywood Christopher that I suppose is a beginner instrument, but it works just fine for me. It doesn't sound near as good unplugged as a higher end, carved bass, but it works fine for my (often amplified) purposes.

One other thing that always intrigued me is reversing the strings. I'm right handed, but stringing a bass or guitar lefty so that the strings are upside down has always intrigued me as an exercise. It hasn't happened, mostly because it takes a bit of effort and I'm lazy. But, just as an exercise it seems like it would be a good finger training thing. I have seen a number of left handed guitarists play left handed guitars with the strings reversed, presumably because they learned on a flipped right handed guitar back when. Being completely self-taught means things like this don't faze me a bit. It's only a convention.
 
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I don't know about double bass mechanics, but if you already play left then just cruise eBay, lefty bass.com, etc. and invest in a lefty handed instrument. You've already built the appropriate skills in your hands and the transition will be much easier than learning anew. Also, lefties have a natural advantage. Because we live in a right handed world, we are forced to use our right hands more than a righty uses their left. So our off hand is stronger and more dexterous than a righties, with the dominant hand being equal. Ignore the negative comments and if you must just spend a bit over your budget and worry about the rent later.
 
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Suggesting to left handed people that they consider playing DB right handed is not unreasonable and there are plenty of people who have gone that way.

It's not on the table for you, that's cool. We can all move on from there, but that advice will come up again for the next person who asks, it's always a good suggestion early in the conversation.

Personally, good entry level instruments can be quite good. Even for gigging, they're more stable and with a proper setup, really don't have limitations that will matter to most people for some time, I know plenty of players who will never upgrade from their laminate bass, because it makes them happy and meets their needs. Find some lefty basses and check them out. If it's a good instrument form a reputable source, don't worry about the brand or the price point. There will be a learning curve, but it's a wonderful journey.
 
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I'm curious to know why a beginner instrument wouldn't be OK, since you mentioned them. I have a plywood Christopher that I suppose is a beginner instrument, but it works just fine for me. It doesn't sound near as good unplugged as a higher end, carved bass, but it works fine for my (often amplified) purposes.

One other thing that always intrigued me is reversing the strings. I'm right handed, but stringing a bass or guitar lefty so that the strings are upside down has always intrigued me as an exercise. It hasn't happened, mostly because it takes a bit of effort and I'm lazy. But, just as an exercise it seems like it would be a good finger training thing. I have seen a number of left handed guitarists play left handed guitars with the strings reversed, presumably because they learned on a flipped right handed guitar back when. Being completely self-taught means things like this don't faze me a bit. It's only a convention.
Actually I don't know that a beginner instrument wouldn't be acceptable to me!

On an electric instrument stringing it backwards will work, just replace the nut and you're good to go. On an acoustic it's not so easy, while you probably could do it, you're have sound issues off the bat and, very probably, structural issues down the road. The sound board on a guitar is optimized for the low e on the correct side of the bridge. From the little research I've done on the DB it appears the bass bar not only allows for superior acoustic response but also provides extra support for the e string. It certainly isn't a long term solution.
 
Those of us suggesting that you learn right handed aren't suggesting you play bass different than "the way you were meant to". Bass in not inherently a right or left handed instrument. Neither is bass guitar. It's similar to suggesting you go out and get yourself a left handed piano. You could likely get someone to make one for you, but there is no particular handedness advantage. Both your left and right hands have a lot to do on the double bass. Some would suggest you have an advantage if you are left handed on a double bass, because your left hand has to do all of the finger work. Others would suggest you have an advantage as a right handed person, because that hand is (largely) responsible for rhythm, articulation, and the sound you are producing. There is absolutely no benefit, with the exception of someone who experiences lost mobility/strength/digits on their left hand, for anyone to play it in either direction.

Likewise, if you play a similar instrument such as bass guitar "left handed" and feel that the learning curve will be easier when you switch, that's not entirely the case. The left hand and right hand technique (regardless to which one is doing what at this point) on double bass is quite different than it is on electric bass. The scale length is completely different, and even if you have no intention of learning to use a bow, the pizz attack is not the same. As someone who did make a switch from two very similar instruments (french horn-trumpet) with very similar fingering that involved using the opposite hand, it is not that difficult to overcome. At first it might feel a little alien, but if you stick with it it can become just as natural as your other hand. During that time you are learning things like finger/hand shapes, intonation, attack with your pizz/bowing hand etc. anyway. You aren't going to be able to hit the ground running if you find a double bass that is the same handedness as your electric anyway. There will be a learning curve, so why not use that time to make your life significantly easier?

What will be significantly easier? You will have the option of shopping for almost every double bass on the planet, instead of a statistically insignificant amount of left handed instruments you will most likely have to drive, fly, or have shipped to you to get anywhere near them. You will not have to pay a premium to purchase the instrument, or take a gamble on a custom commission that will take months if not years depending on the waiting list of that maker to get around to it. You will have a significantly easier market to sell to when you get around to selling it, and the entire market to shop from if you decide to upgrade. You will have teachers who feel comfortable teaching you, instead of trying to wrap their head around everything being backwards. You will have the option of playing in orchestras and string sections, even if that doesn't seem like something you are interested in right now. Ride a horse, don't go unicorn hunting.



Why spend the extra money, and seek out a builder that might not even make your short list when the other option is you don't have to? For a first instrument, there is a chance that the OP hates double bass and only sticks with it for a month. Why make it next to impossible to sell it again after that?

I am aware that there are a lot of lefties in the world. I am one of them. And I still play a normal double bass. I have nothing against left handed people, and nothing against people who already play the double bass that way for whatever reason they so desire, have pointed out it might be the right option for someone with an injury/chronic pain, and even suggested Upton as a potential source for such an instrument if you really want/need to go down that path. I am simply suggesting that it makes more sense to start a long and difficult journey without creating a needless disadvantage before you have even begun. If sissy kathy was looking for a double bass that wasn't left handed, sissy kathy could very well have an instrument in hand by now and already be learning.

I apologize if this seems strongly worded, extremely opinionated, or against left handed people. That is not my intention. I would very much like sissy kathy to not only succeed in finding an instrument, but to have a long and enjoyable double bass playing career. I am just suggesting that chopping off a foot before you start training for a marathon isn't the best way to get started.


It's not as hard as you make it sound to find a left handed instrument. Like shopping for a right handed DB, you still have to do a ton of looking, research, etc., so yeah, it's still relatively hard to find a bass. Pick up an instrument and hold it how you naturally would hold it. That's how you should play. I'd rather pay an upcharge than waste my time trying to become a fake righty on a "normal" (:rollno:) DB. And sorry, but the learning curve will be relatively easier if you already play slab as a lefty, even though the technique is different. This righty vs lefty garbage comes up all the time, and even though a lot of lefties start out playing righty and do just great at it (I personally know several), it's a waste of time for someone who already plays left handed, especially nowadays when left handed instruments are all over the place, thanks to the interwebz.
 
Have you given us any info on your maximum budget, or the type of music you expect to play with said bird, once it is in your hand? I don't recall seeing any reference to either of these anywhere in the thread.

[Slight derail warning] Are you dead set on having a lefty double bass, or do you just want a large, acoustic, bass stringed instrument? If the latter, then a mandobass, Regal bassoguitar, or even the Rigel acoustic bass could be brought into the mix. To my knowledge, except for the nut and bridge, which would have to be flipped for a lefty, all of these have symmetrical internal bracing and fingerboard dressing, so the soundpost/bassbar conundrum could be avoided.
 
Have you given us any info on your maximum budget, or the type of music you expect to play with said bird, once it is in your hand? I don't recall seeing any reference to either of these anywhere in the thread.

[Slight derail warning] Are you dead set on having a lefty double bass, or do you just want a large, acoustic, bass stringed instrument? If the latter, then a mandobass, Regal bassoguitar, or even the Rigel acoustic bass could be brought into the mix. To my knowledge, except for the nut and bridge, which would have to be flipped for a lefty, all of these have symmetrical internal bracing and fingerboard dressing, so the soundpost/bassbar conundrum could be avoided.

I don't provide that information because it isn't germane to the issue at hand. If my budget is unlimited I'm still not going to buy a $100,000 DB. I might spring for a fully carved, new, Upton though (and that could still happen) though it's unlikely; I'm a bit of a miser.

I went to the Regal site and poked around a bit; nothing there leads me to believe they aren't built in a conventional manner.
 
You may want to contact some of the dealers mentioned in this thread (it's an old thread) to seek their input and advice, or just Googlesearch double bass dealers in the Annapolis/Baltimore area. I expect there are more than few. And then there is Brobst in Alexandria, VA. You might possibly get a steer to a suitable lefty from one of these dealers. These all are a reasonable driving distance from Halethorpe (wonderful name, that).

Where do Baltimore bassists get thier work done?

Howard core is an importer/distributor located about 40 miles from my house. Their house brand is Johannes Kohr, which has a fairly extensive U S distributorship. The Kohr line is produced in China, but to fairly exacting specifications provided by Howard Core Company. You might contact Core to inquire what would be involved to get a lefty bass included in a batch order from Core. Said bass then could be shipped to your closest Kohr dealer.

Howard Core Company
 
I don't provide that information because it isn't germane to the issue at hand. If my budget is unlimited I'm still not going to buy a $100,000 DB. I might spring for a fully carved, new, Upton though (and that could still happen) though it's unlikely; I'm a bit of a miser.

I went to the Regal site and poked around a bit; nothing there leads me to believe they aren't built in a conventional manner.

If we want to be sure we are not suggesting something beyond your purse then budget is germane to the discussion. We are not asking exact dollar amounts, just ballpark. This being said, if you can handle the cost of a new, fully carved Upton then you should be able to cover any of the alternates I suggested.

Ditto musical context. It's germane. No point in suggesting something if we know going in it's not suitable for your intended use.

Did you visit the Regal site or the Rigel site? In either case, and for mandobasses as well, the "conventional manner" means symmetrical interior bracing, which means you can flip a righty instrument to lefty just by reversing the nut and bridge. Double basses do not have symmetrical interior reinforcement, which is the most major hurdle we seem to be stuck on here.
 
If the OP is willing to travel to New York City, there is a left-handed Thompson (Chinese) plywood bass for sale on Craigslist. The ad has been up for a few weeks, and was refreshed this morning. I have no idea if it is a purpose-built lefty, or if the strings were reversed, but it's a lead on a decent-looking bass.

As it happens, I'm the only member of my immediate family who is right-handed. Despite being a southpaw, over the years my father has played trumpet, guitar, bass, piano and drums as would a right-handed person. It can be done.
 
If the OP is willing to travel to New York City, there is a left-handed Thompson (Chinese) plywood bass for sale on Craigslist. The ad has been up for a few weeks, and was refreshed this morning. I have no idea if it is a purpose-built lefty, or if the strings were reversed, but it's a lead on a decent-looking bass.

As it happens, I'm the only member of my immediate family who is right-handed. Despite being a southpaw, over the years my father has played trumpet, guitar, bass, piano and drums as would a right-handed person. It can be done.

Thank you for the information, but I'm not going into NYC. I was traveling between Boston and Baltimore while in the army, took a wrong turn and wound up spending a month there for a day. This was before GPS I was using paper maps, once I realized my mistake, I was already in trouble, every turn I made in an attempt to get turned around seem to get me mired further and further into Long Island. The Engelhardt I found is in St. Augustine, Fl. (the oldest city in America, for those of you who care) and is a place I have always wanted to see.

I'm not saying a left handed person cannot learn to play right handed, I'm saying THIS left handed person cannot learn to play right handed.
 

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