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LetItGrowTone New Member Intro Post

LetItGrowTone

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I was lucky. You'll see...

In the beginning:
I don't think we had a radio or tv, so my earliest memories of music were live. They were: old folks playing in my grandmother's living room (and it was almost certainly bluegrass), singing and clapping in church with no instruments, and this one blind man playing an acoustic on the street for tips - fifteen seconds I'll never forget. Oh, and my mother's singing. Any other music I heard at that time would have been church or country on the car radio. I felt that all of the above was sincere, and that was important.

Once we had a transistor radio my first memories were from the years of the early Beatles, etc., and I followed the evolution of new sounds through the "British Invasion". I did notice black stars and did notice the prominence and style of the bass and vocals. And another indelible memory was of the black church in my neighborhood that we drove by many times at night when services were being held, and of admiring the apparent sincerity audible for blocks around. I grew to be moved by these things at a later age but I regret not tuning into them at that time. In this I was not lucky, and it was my own fault.

Then we bought a little plastic record player. My dad provided Hank Williams senior, Johnny Cash, and others.

Learned 6-string:
Pre-teen learned simple acoustic guitar: Rolling Stones, etc. Thanks to my sister, who was four years older, I was exposed to Creme, etc. (of the recent past), and to Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. (current at that time), Concert for Bangladesh, Mad Dogs and Englishmen, etc. Late teens finally bought an electric, a used sunburst Les Paul Deluxe with the smaller pickups, but I didn't understand what I had. (An ordinary teenager could afford it that time? Yes.)

Revisited 6-string:
Around age thirty I had some younger friends in the workplace who were listening to music. Thanks to them it drew my attention and I suddenly started playing again. Had to have a Les Paul and a tube amp. The sounds I liked were somewhere between Black Sabbath and Metallica. :-) But instead of continuing my development as a guitar player the whole project turned into a tube amp hobby. I guess I deserve to be flogged and keel hauled etc. for tearing up all the equipment I went through, and I no longer have any of it. Never loved any amp more than a 5F6-A I built in a blackface chassis, with the first two stages of a Marshall master volume but keeping the treble cap of the 5F6-A. At different times and with different tubes and speakers it sounded just like many of the famous people who had used an amp like that. So, with regard to innovation I was a total failure :-) , hopelessly addicted to the past. Well, I wasn't the only one. :-)

Starting bass now and how I made equipment choices:

I haven't played guitar for about twenty years. Owned a bass (Pbass clone) briefly, thirty years ago, and the only thing I knew for sure was that I wanted heavy flatwound strings, and I didn't regret that, but I never played it seriously. Flats seem to be popular now. The bass playing friend I had used round wound strings and metal style distortion, hogging the entire audio spectrum. It was horrific!

Wanting to play something again, but not wanting to get tangled up in the 6-string world again, and needing something a little slower and simpler because I'm older now, I recently spent about two solid weeks studying my options with regard to bass guitar and model player. I reviewed the players I had loved in the past (Radle, Bruce, Cornick, Odum, Dunn, McCartney, and others), especially the ones whose tone I had most loved, and who had played most tastefully (not too many notes, fully supportive style). Radle in "Let it Grow" almost makes me cry. Something like that. No slapping and popping, no jangle, tone rolled back (and probably flats), melodic, totally supportive of the rest of the song. For me, maybe no bending either.

Then I looked at the hardware I'd need and where I would make compromises required by my finances and anatomy and current strength.

First "compromise" (although after my research I don't think its a problem) is a 30" scale.

Second compromise is flats that aren't as heavy as I had been considering. Saw a YouTube demo of 760FL that was plenty solid, so I'm thinking maybe 760FS-S.

I had considered the Mikro but it was *so* comfortable that I'm no longer worried about a 30" (especially since I also just heard about Simandl-type fingering and hope to convert to it wholeheartedly). Then, looking at the 30's, I noticed something that I haven't heard anyone mention: the P pickups on the Squire VM Jaguar SS (and the Fender Mustang PJ) are proportionally farther forward than on a P. (I don't know about the absolute distance, but they are proportionally farther forward.) Those are fine guitars but whatever tonal difference between those and a P could be partly due to this, not just the shorter scale. Lastly, I noticed that the SX's nut is as narrow as the Mikro's, J width I think. I went with a probably beefier neck because of the flats.

So, I chose the Ibanez TMB30, ivory. It should arrive tomorrow, and barring any factory defects I'm sure it will serve me. Already have a headphone amp and good headphones, and will leave it at that for now.

That's where I am. I intend to learn the whole fretboard this time and be literate. Wish me luck. Thanks to the TalkBass community for being here, and for helping me even before I joined. :-)
 
Thanks Oddly.
[[Ireland, eh? I count the Scots-Irish (people originally from Scotland who migrated to Ireland, and then later to the rest of the world) as half of my ancestry (mother had red hair... it's dangerous you know :) ), and I count the "British Isles" (if you'll pardon the very old-fashioned expression) as the epicenter of my cultural heritage.
"A lot of coffee" and a jumpy avatar, eh? Yeah, gotta cut back, myself, someday. Actually talked about it this morning, as we have many times before.]]
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I'm on guard to meet the delivery person and take the '30 from his/her hands...
 
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Thanks G-Dog.
I said I didn't want to get overly involved in tube circuits again, but I did build myself a Bassman 10 clone (clean and beautiful enough) and I'm trying to "finish" fine tuning it so I can turn my mind to theory and playing.
 
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I intend to learn the whole fretboard this time and be literate.

Four months later.
Instead of studying music theory and playing I've spent my time on tube circuits instead, again, and now solid state too. Can't afford to buy anything I want, but already have most of the small parts to finish what I already have. Torn by indecision and the distraction of every little consideration being explorable on the internet. Need to break out of this and play and study music, as I said.

"Distortion" is a million different places, plus pedals etc, while variations of "clean" converge toward only one place. Maybe this principle will save me this time, as I only need clean *enough*. Then I hope to stop the circuit addiction.

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Ok, I'll say a little more.
For me, "clean enough" is either a tube amp that is nearly hi-fi, not far from a Williamson (very famous old hi-fi amp. A Bassman 10 circuit with the output tubes wired as triodes is close to this), OR, it's one or two stages of a standard Fender style tube preamp into a clean solid state power amp (like a Crown, etc), OR, it's an Acoustic 360/361 approximation.

OR, it's the key distinctive feature of ACC360 - those switchable LC mid filters *inside* a local feedback loop - implemented either with transistors or with tubes (as in SVT, V4B, V4BH and probably many others), inside one of the above.

And that is "where my head is at".
But I really do look forward to picking up and putting away all of the circuit stuff. Ever been absorbed in something and sick of it at the same time?
 
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I didn't want to get overly involved in tube circuits again, but I did build myself a Bassman 10 clone and I'm trying to finish adjusting it so I can turn my mind to theory and playing.

Six months after I posted that I'm putting away my tube amp circuits hobby: If I were playing 6-string guitar I'd probably go straight back to a JCM800 clone. But for bass specifically, I have been driven toward cleaner and cleaner, driven partly by my favorite bass tones from the past and partly by my own now discovered preferences, as I'm getting to know bass. I did try extra-clean tube ideas like triode output and it was good, and I do know what to do to make it even better. But, not necessary for me now.

Speaking of extreme clarity, I also switched from P-type to J-type recently, still just an inexpensive clone. Just needed to discover eq settings to reduce the burp.

I really do look forward to picking up and putting away all of the circuit stuff. Ever been absorbed in something and sick of it at the same time?

Doing it today, and I'm at peace about it. :)
I hope my next post in this thread is about how I turned my mind to music theory.
 
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I intend to learn the whole fretboard this time and be literate.
I hope my next post in this thread is about how I turned my mind to music theory.

A year has passed and I haven't done the above. I've just accumulated equipment and it's turned into a big mess; I had hoped to quickly choose a favorite kind of bass, favorite strings, amp, etc, but it hasn't worked out. This is what they call a "first world problem", being partly a sickness of commercialism, susceptibility to marketing, etc, and partly an avoidance of the hard work of study and practice. How many people here are tangled up like this, eh?
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I have the Friedland Complete Bass Method, Friedland Building Walking Bass Lines, and a few days ago subscribed to Scott's Bass Lessons. This is enough.
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On April 3rd, 2020, being morally and/or legally bound to stay at home, I'll start again right now to get my act together.
 
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I hope my next post in this thread is about how I turned my mind to music theory.
A year has passed and I haven't done the above.
And now *another* year has passed, and I still haven't done it.

The year's subscription to my previous online lessons was about to expire. I had not used that program, not once. Not their fault at all, but I switched to a different program today.

I've sure learned a lot about equipment in two years. Surveyed a lot of options and my preferences have stabilized, and I intend to start studying now. Hope to learn more than the pentatonic minor scale I brought over from 6-string guitar. :rollno: Got a lot of miles out of it. :meh: I won't use the "pile of excrement" emoticon because I still love that territory and always will, but you know what I mean. :rolleyes:
 

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