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Log or Lin pots?

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by chopthebass, Apr 27, 2010.


  1. chopthebass

    chopthebass

    May 20, 2009
    Hi,

    I'm building a Jazz bass and will be installing Nordstrand Big Singles. I've found loads of wiring diagrams on the internet but can't determine whether to use Lin or Log pots. Even the Fender site gives no clues. All I found mentioned was 'audio taper' but I have no clue what that refers to.

    I just know there is someone here with the answer!

    Cheers
    Ian
     
  2. Linear works best for volume, and audio works best for tone.
     
  3. ehque

    ehque

    Jan 8, 2006
    Singapore
    "Audio" refers to the log taper.

    I've heard every combination recommended, so i'll say "try both and use your ears".
     
  4. tubby.twins

    tubby.twins Amateur Pickup Reviewer Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2009
    Oregon
    The term "audio taper" refers to the resistance curve as a function of the angle which the potentiometer's shaft is turned from counter-clockwise to clockwise.

    Pots with a "linear taper" have a straight line from Maximum to Zero.

    Pots with an "audio taper" have a curve which starts falling gradually, then increases its rate of descent as you get closer to fully clockwise.

    The reason for having an "audio taper" pot is to account for the human ear's natural tendency to hear logarithmically: it takes twice as much power to increase the apparent loudness of a signal by 3db, or something like that. The "audio taper" pot works against this by providing a predictable increase in power at any given start position, for a given increase in the angle of rotation of the shaft.

    In practice, most "audio taper" pots aren't a smooth audio taper. Manufacturers long ago realized that making a pot with a perfect taper was too costly, so they usually approximate this by having two different sections of linear tapers. It may sound similar, but it's not doing quite the same thing.

    A number of bassists have found that using a "linear" pot makes more sense, if you usually keep the volume of the bass turned all the way (or most of the way) to full, and only occasionally back the volume off for quieter songs. This is because it works a bit more smoothly, and gives you more usable range between the "sort-of loud" and "full volume" settings.

    Guitarists usually still need an "audio taper" pot since they may be using this to control the amount of distortion that an amplifier or effects pedal may be introducing later.

    Additionally, I've found that I get better response out of volume pots (audio and linear taper) by adding an additional resistor between the "ground" lug of the pot and the ground wire/bus in the bass. This effectively limits how "low" the volume pot can go (which also makes it impossible to mute the bass by turning the volume all the way down) but increases the smoothness and gives you more fine-grained control over your volume in a live situation.

    For example, with a 500K pot, I would connect one lead of a 50K or 100K resistor to the "ground" lug of the pot, and then connect the other lead to my bass's ground bus. For a 250K pot, I would use a 25K or 50K resistor. I've tested this idea on several basses, and it seems to work well for me.

    Hope this is helpful to you!
     
  5. chopthebass

    chopthebass

    May 20, 2009
    Thanks guys. Very informative. I will try Linear volumes and Log tone to start and see how it goes.
     
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  6. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    yes, linear volumes and audio tones will work the smoothest all around for bass, especially if you're blending between two pickups.
    interesting.

    i think this would also lessen the effective load on the pickup from the pot, making the sound a little brighter.
     
  7. recnsci

    recnsci

    Apr 8, 2010
    On J-type in particular, greatest variation of tone comes within 12-24dB "window" around "both P/ups full on", if p/ups are well balanced (by means of construction and height). Covering this window is best achieved by linear volume pots. Also, fiddling with pot taper with external resistors is quite common in audio EE (you can get very nice reverse-log response over one decade from lin pot this way for EQ apps). Another way to fiddle around would be 1k-50k resistor from hot end of P/up to center connection on vol pot.
     
  8. Bassamatic

    Bassamatic keepin' the beat since the 60's Supporting Member

    Linear pots will give you most of the action at the end.
    Log (audio ) pots will distribute the change over a longer sweep. This is why they are called AUDIO pots and used in all audio gear this way (stereo, amps, mixers, etc).

    It is easy enough to try - see what you like.
     
  9. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    would a 1meg linear be ok for the neck of a jazz with dimarzios (cream colored with adjustable poles) the high end is lacking on this bass, even with bridge all the way up (has 250k B pots in the volumes right now) with a 500k audio tone i just put in.
     
  10. Yes, 1 MegOhm pots are fine for volume, but go ahead & replace both of them.
     
  11. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    jazz jazz.
    the jazz is from japan (a custom gold hardware one) came with the dimarzios and gold badass w/gold tuners and 3 250k B pots (its the one in pic that i took the metal pickguard off of)
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2017
  12. The problem with 1M pots is that there will not be a very useful taper. Expect the volume to drop very quickly, as you come down from "10," since the series resistance will be adding up fast.

    Why would you want 1M/250k, when you can choose two 500k pots? The total load from one 1M pot and one 250k pot is 200k Ohms, while the total load from two 500k pots is 250k Ohms. Since your goal is to improve high end response, this is a better option. Plus, you have the added bonus of keeping a good taper, and not having to hunt down hard to find pots.
     
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  13. It can also be a matter of personal preference between linear and log (audio) taper.
    It depends on how much change you want where, over the range of the pot.
     
  14. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    1000 ohm linears cropped.
    ok, i have 1000 ohm linears already (military grade w/long solid shafts i will have to cut down), but if you think the 2 500k linears would be more user friendly i'll hold off till i get. are the mini pots of lesser functional quality than a bourne or cts full sized ones? appreciate it yall'z, p
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2017
  15. 1000 Ohm? Type-o?
     
  16. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    type J usa 1 meg type J lt & cropped.
     
  17. ;)
    I meant was 1000 Ohm's a typographical error?
    Did you mean 1,000,000 Ohm's? Or 1,000K?
     
  18. I can't make out any of the markings on those pots.

    Make sure they are one-million Ohm pots, if you want to use them in a bass.
     
  19. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    it says 1000 ohms, as i typed earlier.. same as 1meg, i believe..
     
  20. One MegOhm = 1,000,000 Ohms

    Check them with a Ohm Meter, from terminal 1 to terminal 3.
     

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