Looking for a learning program for modes .

[Mushroo]

There is a difference between being able to play something and mastering it. There are all the modes in the major scale. There is no use for them if you can only play them 1 to 1. Try to do it multioctave, starting with a different finger, starting with a different note, in all intervals both up and down, and beyond 7th, like tenths, in groups of 3,4,5 descending/ascending lines. In short, one year is still too optimistic, but 3 hrs a day should do it. OP-don't let anyone tell you it's easy. It will piss you off at some point and you'll hit plateau. From there it's up to you if you'll end up like 95% of bass bums, or become one of those 5% who have what it takes to master the instrument. Learning music is very time consuming and requires extraordinary discipline and devotion, even though thousands of 'youtube lessons' might suggest you otherwise.
p.s. don't go into modes if you haven't thoroughly mastered arpeggios. Arpeggios is going to be your bread and butter 95% of the time as a bass player. That's another year for you

Ah okay, I think we basically agree with each other. You are talking about practice and I am talking about knowledge.

C major scale is C D E F G A B. G major scale is G A B C D E F#. D major scale is D E F# G A B C#. And so on. This is knowledge. Every musician needs to memorize this stuff, and beginners should learn it as quickly as possible!

You seem to be saying, once you have the knowledge, then it is time to put that knowledge into practice, and practicing to reach a master level will take many years. I can agree with that.

Do you agree with me that learning the major and minor scales (aka Ionian and Aeolian modes), in every key, over 1 octave, is a good place to start and a worthwhile goal for a beginner?

You and I have very different approaches to music education. You suggest beginners should practice major scales 3 hours a day for a year. I suggest beginners should practice scales 30 minutes a day for 1 month, and then turn their focus to learning songs and jamming with their friends. I think learning music is easy and fun. You think learning music is difficult and frustrating. Both approaches are valid (depending on the student's goals and personality), and I understand now what you are trying to say. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[IamGroot]

Creating bass lines over songs like "Autumn Leaves" is highly recommended as a way to learn the modes and become a better player at the same time.

 

[Lobster11]

Creating bass lines over songs like "Autumn Leaves" is highly recommended as a way to learn the modes and become a better player at the same time.

Maybe not so much for a beginner, tho.

 

[Mushroo]

Creating bass lines over songs like "Autumn Leaves" is highly recommended as a way to learn the modes and become a better player at the same time.

"Autumn Leaves" is a great tune, and well-worth learning for any student of jazz. However, "Autumn Leaves" in and of itself won't teach a student much about modes, since it's not a "modal" composition. Rather, "Autumn Leaves" is a textbook example of tonal jazz harmony. It's great source material for studying major ii-V-I and minor ii-V-i ("two-five-one") progressions. Modes? Not so much.

In any case, the first step for the beginner is to gain knowledge of the major scales and minor scales. In order to construct a ii-V-I, first you need to know which note is the "2" of the scale, which note is the "5," and which note is the "1." Major scales and minor scales are the foundation of music theory; there is no short cut or detour around acquiring essential knowledge of these 24 scales. Grind out 1 scale a day, rote memorization, and a month from now, you will know them all.

 

[MalcolmAmos]

I'm a rookie in the bass game , but I'm very committed to learning and becoming the best that I can be. So I want to start at the beginning modes!!!! I really need you guys help with finding a professional development program. I really want to learn bass the right way.

Tonal and modal. Tonal resolves back to the tonic I chord. 90% if what we do is tonal. Modal does not resolve, but, drowns on so the modal signature note can be heard. The electric guitar guys get off on modes. I only do modes at home for fun. I've never been with a band that played modal. So...… forget about modes for now and get your scales down. Scales will get your fingers moving over your fret board. You will not be playing a lot of scales or modes, our job is to call attention to the active root note and then play as many of the active chord's notes as needed.

Normally the chord's root, 5th and 8th will keep you in the game. From the root the 5th is down a string, same fret, as the root. Always! Or it is up a string and toward the bridge two frets. Always! The 8 is next string up, same fret, from the root. An R-5-8-5 is going to play a lot of bass.

Print this picture of the bass fret board and work on where the notes are. Yep they are all over the fret board, however, you really right now only need to work with the notes in first position (first 5 frets).

Fake chord tells me the next chord is a C. Where is the C? Yep A string 3rd fret. Where is the D? Two frets over, same string from the C. Where is the B? Yep one fret back from the C. What is over the B? The E. What is over the C? The F is over the C and the G is down a string from the C. Where is the A? Under the D. That'll let you play a lot of bass.

Google some fake chord sheet music. Fake chord will show the chords used over specific lyric words. Armed with the fake chord sheet music listen for the beat (the rhythm signature) this song will be using -- find the roots on the sheet music and pound roots to the beat of the song. After awhile throw in some 5's. Little later throw in the 8. Little steps....

Fake chord sheet music and follow the chords playing notes of the active chord will get you asked back from any good ole boy garage band. Gotta start somewhere.....

Good luck.

 

[IamGroot]

"Autumn Leaves" is a great tune, and well-worth learning for any student of jazz. However, "Autumn Leaves" in and of itself won't teach a student much about modes, since it's not a "modal" composition. Rather, "Autumn Leaves" is a textbook example of tonal jazz harmony. It's great source material for studying major ii-V-I and minor ii-V-i ("two-five-one") progressions. Modes? Not so much.

I am going to politely disagree with you and leave it at that.

The OP wants to learn modes, not modal composition. Autumn Leaves will teach him 5 major modes (in G maj) and then two modes in E harmonic minor via the flip at the B7 chord. And learning II V I is at the heart of playing walking bass lines and a hell of a lot more interesting than going CMaj 7, Dmin7, Emin7 etc because you get to use the knowledge to play something interesting.

My first bass lesson, my bass instructor showed me modes and how to play them up and down the neck in G and said to learn it for the following week. My second lesson was "Autumn Leaves".

It may not be theoretically pure but it is very effective.

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[Mushroo]

I am going to politely disagree with you and leave it at that.

The OP wants to learn modes, not modal composition. Autumn Leaves will teach him 5 major modes (in G maj) and then two modes in E harmonic minor via the flip at the B7 chord. And learning II V I is at the heart of playing walking bass lines and a hell of a lot more interesting than going CMaj 7, Dmin7, Emin7 etc because you get to use the knowledge to play something interesting.

My first bass lesson, my bass instructor showed me modes and how to play them up and down the neck in G and said to learn it for the following week. My second lesson was "Autumn Leaves".

It may not be theoretically pure but it is very effective.

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I think we're both right, just different cognitive styles.

A Myers Briggs "S" tends to look at the details first, and then piece the facts together into a larger picture. A person with this cognitive style might look at the progression Amin7 - D7 - GMaj7 and think, "Okay, that's three different modes: 1 bar of A Aeolian, 1 bar of D Mixolydian, and 1 bar of G Ionian."

A Myers Briggs "N" (such as myself) tends to leap to broad conclusions by looking at the big picture. A person with this cognitive style might look at Amin7 - D7 - GMaj7 and think, "Modes?!? This progression has nothing to do with modes whatsoever; it's simply a tonal ii-V-I in G Major."

Both valid approaches. Sounds like you found a good teacher whose lessons really "clicked" with your cognitive style.

PS I think you meant E Melodic Minor, not E Harmonic Minor? There is a C# in the melody. But I wouldn't personally sweat that distinction, because cognitively, I am looking at the big picture of "E minor tonality."

 

[Wind Blade Khan]

Tonal and modal. Tonal resolves back to the tonic I chord. 90% if what we do is tonal. Modal does not resolve, but, drowns on so the modal signature note can be heard. The electric guitar guys get off on modes. I only do modes at home for fun. I've never been with a band that played modal. So...… forget about modes for now and get your scales down. Scales will get your fingers moving over your fret board. You will not be playing a lot of scales or modes, our job is to call attention to the active root note and then play as many of the active chord's notes as needed.

Normally the chord's root, 5th and 8th will keep you in the game. From the root the 5th is down a string, same fret, as the root. Always! Or it is up a string and toward the bridge two frets. Always! The 8 is next string up, same fret, from the root. An R-5-8-5 is going to play a lot of bass.

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Print this picture of the bass fret board and work on where the notes are. Yep they are all over the fret board, however, you really right now only need to work with the notes in first position (first 5 frets).

Fake chord tells me the next chord is a C. Where is the C? Yep A string 3rd fret. Where is the D? Two frets over, same string from the C. Where is the B? Yep one fret back from the C. What is over the B? The E. What is over the C? The F is over the C and the G is down a string from the C. Where is the A? Under the D. That'll let you play a lot of bass.

Google some fake chord sheet music. Fake chord will show the chords used over specific lyric words. Armed with the fake chord sheet music listen for the beat (the rhythm signature) this song will be using -- find the roots on the sheet music and pound roots to the beat of the song. After awhile throw in some 5's. Little later throw in the 8. Little steps....

Fake chord sheet music and follow the chords playing notes of the active chord will get you asked back from any good ole boy garage band. Gotta start somewhere.....

Good luck.

Thank you " Big Tex " !!!

 

[Wind Blade Khan]

I am going to politely disagree with you and leave it at that.

The OP wants to learn modes, not modal composition. Autumn Leaves will teach him 5 major modes (in G maj) and then two modes in E harmonic minor via the flip at the B7 chord. And learning II V I is at the heart of playing walking bass lines and a hell of a lot more interesting than going CMaj 7, Dmin7, Emin7 etc because you get to use the knowledge to play something interesting.

My first bass lesson, my bass instructor showed me modes and how to play them up and down the neck in G and said to learn it for the following week. My second lesson was "Autumn Leaves".

It may not be theoretically pure but it is very effective.

Want to know more:
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Thanks , i'll check out " The Magic Wand in Autumn Leaves " Jazz Class