Where is the line drawn between a lower offering and lowballing?
This was also my thought as I read the thread.
That's going to vary from person to person.
Making a lower offer is perfectly okay as long as the seller doesn't say "firm."
I never get offended by an offer, even a lowball. Someone is offering to give me money... how can that possibly be offensive?
Using lame excuses IS mildly offensive however, like, just make the offer.
IMO a "lower offer" would be anything up to around 15%, maybe 20% less than asking price. Lower than that is lowballing.
And I always ask "what's your best price" or "are you firm" to try and get the seller to reduce the price on their own. But if I'm selling I always make the buyer give an offer and never reduce the price myself.
You see, in the first case, the seller may reduce more than you would ask off, and in the second case, the buyer may offer a higher amount than what you would reduce to.
Negotiating 101: Whether buying OR selling, always get the other person to state their price first, which includes something offered for sale as "Make Offer"-- I always make the seller price their item.