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Making The Best 4 Hour Bar Gig

Great thread! For some reference (if anyone cares), I'm 37 and I've been doing the 4-hour bar gig since high school. I got into my first cover band around 2000 and I've been gigging steadily ever since. I've done weddings. I've done benefits, festivals, and community events. Those can be nice changes of pace, but I still love doing the bar gigs. I'm not a professional musician and earn a good living with a day job that I love.

There have been a ton great tips in here. But frankly, there are soooo many variables. We all have different personalities, different goals, different pet peeves. What makes one of these gigs more enjoyable for me won't work for everyone. But here goes anyway (in no particular order):

1. Hire PA. That's probably been the best decision I ever made. All my bands did their own PA until about '08 or '09. Getting back all that time and effort is worth the money I give up. The two main companies we use each charge us $175 for most shows. My main band is a four piece. If we're getting paid $600, then I get $106 versus $150 if we did our own PA. You can have the $44. That saves me time loading into my vehicle, extra time unloading, and then all that time again heading home. Plus I used to have to get there earlier and stay later. And rolling up cables coated in dirt and beer and moving heavy gear at 2am is no fun.

2) Along those same lines, downsize and streamline your rig. Once I developed a relationship with the sound engineers we use regularly and began to trust them, I stopped bringing a big cab. Nowadays I use in-ears. For the gigs where I don't have to bring lights (I'm the light guy in the band), all I bring is one rack, a stand for the rack, a bass, and a bag with my foot controller. I can setup in about 10 minutes and tear down in 5.

3) Play with good musicians that you like. My time is too valuable to me to spend it around people I can't stand or musicians that bum me out. It's depressing when you want a song to sound great, but someone can't cut it. And it's a lot easier to have good stage chemistry when you genuinely like your bandmates.

4) Play music you like. You can never be entirely sure what a gig is going to be like. I play a lot of the same bars and sometimes they're packed, sometimes they're empty, and sometimes it's in between. Some crowds are really into and other times you're just background noise all night. But if you like what you're playing, then it doesn't really matter. You'll have fun and people can pick up on that.

5) Get to know everyone. More recently, I've made efforts to mingle more before shows and between sets. Showing up to a gig is a lot more fun when you know there are going to be people there that like the band and enjoy your shows. It gets people more invested in your band and it's easier to loosen up on stage when you've got some regulars there that support you.

6) Don't eat too much and know when to say when. I hate playing with a full stomach. I just feel lethargic on stage. And I do like to drink when I play, but it's important to know when to say when.

My bass is already super light, so I agree with people that recommend that. And comfy shoes are always a plus, but I'll suffer a little to look cool on stage.

Oh--and because I do like to drink while I play and I'm a fancy beer snob, I always look forward to the bars we play that have a nice bottle selection or good stuff on tap. It's always harder for me to get up for a show when I know my choices are Bud Lite, Miller Lite, Coors, etc. At my gig this Saturday night I hope to get my hands on some Founders Double Trouble Imperial IPA!

My $0.02, YMMV.
 
What are these "breaks" everyone keeps talking about? Heh. We take one break for about 10 or 15 minutes, long enough to get business done and get back on stage. Four hours goes by a lot more quickly this way, you sweat out any alcohol, and if you keep stringing songs together, the drunks never have a chance to tell you what song you need to play to "really get the crowd rockin".

You also never give the crowd a chance to go to the bar and buy more alcohol... which is why the bar hired you in the first place.

IME and just sayin... but as a rule, breaks are good for the band, the crowd AND the bar. As long as you don't take too many or stretch them out too long.
 
Funny story about shoes. I was playing an outdoor festival a few summers ago and the band before us literally looked like they had just gotten off the ski boat. Shorts, tank tops, ball caps and yes, flip-flops (apparently none of them had ever had a road case rolled over their toes). Anyway, I was getting changed in our trailer backstage and came out with my dark jeans, button down collared shirt and stage shoes and the local radio DJ who was MC'ing the event looked at me, looked at the band onstage and said (dead serious), "thank you for respecting the gig." Not that the beach bum look is wrong for everyone, but people DO notice.

FWIW my stage shoes of choice are Clarks laceups, leather, two tone black/brown with rubber soles. Which it sounds like are way more dressy than most of y'all roll with but they're comfortable, safe, and they go well with the rest of the look I usually roll with on stage. And since I have the ugliest feet in the history of the world, there are any number of reasons it's best that I keep them covered up.

:D
 
I don't mind driving 1.5 hours to a bar gig; what I don't like is the drive back home. ;)

Staying within a certain radius of home is important, unless of course extra money rears its pretty little head. Perhaps an escalating pay scale based on the distance from one's home area is in order.

As a local player not relying on gigging as a primary source of income, if you do not do it primarily for the joy of turning on an audience, whoever they may be, you are lost from the get-go. People taking an interest in your music/performance is the first rung on the ladder to better gigs. Second is to get invited back.

Drunk, boorish bar patrons are endemic to the bar scene. Without them, would it even be a bar scene? I mean, everybody's got a story. I've driven regulars home who were about to take a cab.

It never stops being an adventure for me, because bars are such tragicomic environments. If you hate people or resent the duty of helping people drown their sorrows, it's definitely no place to be.
 
1. Hire PA. That's probably been the best decision I ever made. All my bands did their own PA until about '08 or '09. Getting back all that time and effort is worth the money I give up. The two main companies we use each charge us $175 for most shows. My main band is a four piece. If we're getting paid $600, then I get $106 versus $150 if we did our own PA. You can have the $44.



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amen.

my last band wr did our own sound..yikes.
these days..wr can almost just show up like rockstars.. ;)
soooo much nicer..especially at the end of night. no way I cld go back to haulin/settin up PA.
 
48 years old and I play a lot of 4 hour gigs. I prefer Vans or similar skateshoes on stage. It used to wreak havoc on my back after a show until I started bringing 4 squares of that foam piece-together garage flooring and putting it down behind my mic. I still go all over the stage but having that padding under where I'm standing most of the time makes a huge difference.

I use a long skateboard as a dolly for load in/out of heavy items and then ride it out of the bar into the parking lot to retrieve the next load. Saves a lot of walking if you can't park close.
 
Back to practice: in the various lineups I'm in, we flog the material in private so we can make it look easy in public. Every aspect of the song is subject to analysis and comment: the intro, the ending, the vocal harmonies the tempo and so on. We want the songs to work,not just get by.

I know a lot of you think that is overkill, and that's OK. I'd probably be as uncomfortable in your "wing it" band as you would be in one of mine. I play a fair amount in live theatre productions, and, if you can't reproduce the score and blend in with everyone else in the pit, you're going home early (I saw that happen to an 80-year-old, highly experienced standup bass player who couldn't follow the score in one intricate passage).

But I'll add that the most fun gig in my life was also the most heavily rehearsed. We filled major auditorium at the local state university for three hours five nights in a row. Oh yeah, and we were told to wear to the gig, too.:D
 
I don't mind driving 1.5 hours to a bar gig; what I don't like is the drive back home. ;)

That's for sure. I'm to the point now where if a gig comes up that's gonna have me rolling back into town any later than about 2:30 AM, you can count on me pushing HARD for an overnight stay. If the gig check can't cover a couple of hotel rooms and still put a decent amount of cash in each guy's pocket then honestly, I'd almost rather stay home. Crawling into bed as the sun comes up lost its appeal for me years ago.
 
Well, I guess I won't be inviting you to my kid's piano recital.......;)

Good idea. These kids today have it far too easy. In my day, you would play one sour note, and they would cut off your hands. This led to a lot of shortened careers. Then, the more lenient teachers prevailed, and they would only break your fingers. This was still going too far, and they kept getting more and more lenient, but I think they went too far, when they said you have to tell the kid he's great, and everybody who tries is a winner, or they will CUT OFF YOUR HANDS.*

























*Parody
 
You also never give the crowd a chance to go to the bar and buy more alcohol... which is why the bar hired you in the first place.

IME and just sayin... but as a rule, breaks are good for the band, the crowd AND the bar. As long as you don't take too many or stretch them out too long.

I tend to agree with that, in general. If you play the same kind of stuff all night, then this is probably right on. But if you keep a variety going, and you can create a natural ebb and flow of energy that will get people riled up, bring them down for a break, etc so they only need one break for their ears, it can be fine. Also, in many places we play, the crowd changes throughout the night, even if it's just the same people going from their sober selves to their intoxicated personas.
 
The best 4 hour gig is when you play for 2 hours. Seriously.
Travel time, gas, set up and breakdown....that 4 hour gig could EASILY turn into a 7hour gig.

using Blue's remuneration standard of $100 per bandperson...all of the sudden instead of $25/hr you are making $14/hr

i used to do 3-4 sets of original material back in the day, 2 hours one-way to get there and have to be at work by 7:30 in the morning. did it for 2 years.

SO GLAD i don't have to do that anymore. Bring on the free 45-minute gigs and overpaid 2-setters. Fun n done!

/duck
 
The best 4 hour gig is when you play for 2 hours. Seriously.
Travel time, gas, set up and breakdown....that 4 hour gig could EASILY turn into a 7hour gig.

using Blue's remuneration standard of $100 per bandperson...all of the sudden instead of $25/hr you are making $14/hr

i used to do 3-4 sets of original material back in the day, 2 hours one-way to get there and have to be at work by 7:30 in the morning. did it for 2 years.

SO GLAD i don't have to do that anymore. Bring on the free 45-minute gigs and overpaid 2-setters. Fun n done!

/duck


Remember, $100.00 is a minimum amount per man. I rarely drive more than 30 minutes one way. This weekend my commute is about 5 minutes one way. I still say I'm making a minimum of $25.00 an hour.

Bring on the free 4 hour bar gigs, I'm having a blast.:)

Blue
 
I think another consideration is there are many guys that are younger, in the prime years of their day jobs and careers with families or girl friends and other interests in life. For these guys the 4 hour bar gig is probably never going to make sense and I understand that.

And I think they understand there are a few die hard bass players like myself, single with no other out side interests that live for this stuff. In other words the 4 hour bar gig is a pleasure and not a pain in the butt.

Blue
 
So many great points!

On the subject of breaks, it goes both ways. I tend to think lots of people wait till a break to leave. So when you stop, you tend to lose some people. But on the other hand it's also a good time for people to hit the restroom (just like the band) and get more drinks. Plus, it's your only opportunity to talk to people, make new fans, and find out what's working and what isn't. If those people only want to stay for one set, they won't be there to talk to at the end of the night.

On the subject of attire, it just depends. Know yourself and your own personal style and standards, know your genre, and know your bar. It's definitely not a one size fits all thing.

On shoes, does anyone else use insoles? I've got a pair of gel insoles that I use in my main stage boots and I think they make a big difference.
 

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