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Mark king...Overated?

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by Stinkoman20xx, Jun 26, 2004.

  1. Stinkoman20xx


    Oct 19, 2003
    Ok I finally got to hear mark king and I wasnt to impressed. Granted I only heard 4 or 5 songs and everything he played wasnt anything special.But since i only heard a few songs Im not trying to bring his name down cause obviously alot of people see him as awesome and im must be missing something. What are some good songs that show his skill? Oh yeah everything i heard was level 42 if that helps.
  2. flea-bass


    Jan 30, 2004
    just listen to some of his live solos
  3. David Wilson

    David Wilson Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporting Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Lower Westchester, NY
    Thing is, you might hear something like 'Hot Water' and 'Lessons In Love' and not be that impressed at first. But try playing that groove as solid and on the beat for the duration on the song and you'll get an appreciation for his technique.

    Apart from the slap, there's his finger playing as well. He's had some great finger parts - 'The Sun Goes Down', 'The Chinese Way' and some simpler ones which are great bass lines - 'Children Say' for example.


    Aug 13, 2003
    Sulphur LA
    Get the live at Wemble vid, the '87 show. That WILL change your mind. I think. I hope. Perhaps. We'll see. :)
  5. CS


    Dec 11, 1999
    Try playing 'Lessons in Love' and singing it and making it look easy.

    I personally am not a major fan but have a listen to Dune Song and remember it preceeds a lot of 'chordal' type players.

  6. Try playing Tommy The Cat, and singing it. Then try it twice as fast as normal.

    Grrr....stupid Claypool.... :mad: :crying:
  7. Woodchuck


    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta (Grant Park!)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    Get "Physical Prescence" and check back with us!
  8. KeithPas


    May 16, 2000

    Amen to that man!! I tried playing "Lessons on Love" in a band and it killed my hands. Mark King does not constantly show off his chops but they are there big time. His live solos and the early Level42 stuff are a good showcase for his talents. A friend of mine saw Level42 at a smaller club in Boston in the early 90's and he was blown away by Mark Kings playing. He said that he sang almost everything while laying down incredibly complex funk lines and dancing all over the place.
  9. leanne


    May 29, 2002
    Rochester, NY
    Check out live videos, and be amazed. :)

    I just saw Level 42 Live in Reading 2001 (that may not be the exact title) yesterday, and I expect it might give you a different perspective.

    It's not the original lineup (Gary Husband is on drums though) but it still smokes.

    There's another video I have where Mark King plays while suspended up in the air, the freak. He doesn't miss a beat. Hah.

    P.S. You don't have to like the guy just because other people do.
  10. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I also agree about Physical Presence!!! Mark King can play!! :bassist:
  11. The_major_Rajor


    Apr 15, 2003
    He really almost holds back on alot of level 42's studio albums, If you listen to their live records he "lets loose" alot more... Also check out his live solos, he is prone to repeating himslef but so does jaco... stanley...etc... His slapping technique is also somewhat "old school" but when you compare traditional slappers, he is one of the few that still has speed comparable to victor and most other double thumbers...Anyways I would say Kng is underrated if anything because of his ability to hold up against modern slappers with his old style technique...
    (his jaco stlye finger funk is also nice to listen to as well.)
  12. pyrohr


    Aug 28, 2001
    Pakistani compound
    Get the Mark King live DVD dude!
  13. Mojo-Man

    Mojo-Man Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2003
    One of my fav's.
    Try singing and playing some of his songs.
    Very underated player.
  14. Christopher


    Apr 28, 2000
    New York, NY
  15. BassGuyNL


    Jul 20, 2000
    The Netherlands
    I remember in the eighties lots of my non-musician friends thought that Mark King invented slapping. Of course, they didn't know any better, but then again Level 42 had a string of pop chart hits and Mark King took the technique to the general public. Just because he was in a popular band with hits made me think he could not really be that good. Then I heard some of the other stuff mentioned above...

    I downloaded (sorry Mark) a tune from a CD called Live at the Jazz Cafe. Stunning.
  16. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Plus eins!
  17. cowsgomoo

    cowsgomoo gone to Longstanton Spice Museum

    Feb 8, 2003
    I think Mark King is a fine bass player and his playing is not overrated - in fact I can't think of anything bad to say about his playing, however... I can't think of anything particularly nice to say about Level 42's music (other than that the bass playing is good), which (in my opinion) is watered-down jazz-funk-lite with rubbish lyrics

    and in the UK in the late 80's early 90's, you couldn't walk into a music shop without hearing someone thwacking out a cringe-inducing rattling sub-Mark King slap bass line, their taped-up thumbs a hubristic blur :)

    although Mark himself is a good musician, his disciples should probably have been rounded up and sent to an island somewhere ;)
  18. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    The only place he could be considered overrated I think is England. Ask around in the states. Noone knows who he is. Running in the Family (I think is the title) has been sitting at the used CD store since it opened. Until it goes into the discount bin, I'm not buying it because I'm fairly sure the music sucks.
  19. Blueszilla

    Blueszilla Bassist ordinaire

    Apr 2, 2003
    The Duke City
    I've listened to some of this stuff and I hope to be overrated myself very soon! :D
  20. TRU


    Apr 12, 2002
    Northern Europe
    Thedeadking (what a nick :), what tunes have you heard?

    Its not his skills, there are plenty of players with the same technical abilities. THE thing about mr. King is that he writes good basslines. I spent my teenage years listening to and playing along Level42, so I can't be really objective about the subject. But he is still my favourite bassplayer.

    Some (basswise) cool tunes: Children say, I sleep on my heart, Overtime, Good man in a storm, Lying still in your arms, Out of sight out of mind, Mr Pink, eyes waterfalling, Tracie, If you were mine, With a little love (with a fantastic guitar solo by Allan Holdsworth!), Dream crazy, Physical presence, Something about you, Kansas city milkman, Fashion fever, just to name a few...

    I can't wait to get the live at Apollo DVD ! :)