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Mesa availability in Europe?

#81
GrayGoesBlack said:
Yeah, and let's not forget that agedhorse Andy "only" designed the stuff, from what I gather he's not the dude (m/f/x) in charge of distribution. Only problem I now really have with the early April timeline is that it seems to be competing with the new big iPads coming out. Choices, choices, first world problems and all..
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Correct, I’m just the design and regulatory engineer.
 
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Yesterday I asked Thomann when Mesa will be available and here is the answer:

Hi,

currently Mesa Boogie is unable to deliver outside of north America.
They expect to resume accepting orders starting in April.
Until then, Gibson is unable to provide any information, about prices, delivery times and open/existing orders.

When this is all Thomann tells us, then I would not expect any products at stock very soon. Sorry to say.
 
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paskisti said:
Yesterday I asked Thomann when Mesa will be available and here is the answer:

Hi,

currently Mesa Boogie is unable to deliver outside of north America.
They expect to resume accepting orders starting in April.
Until then, Gibson is unable to provide any information, about prices, delivery times and open/existing orders.

When this is all Thomann tells us, then I would not expect any products at stock very soon. Sorry to say.
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Funny, I had asked exactly the same question to Thomann this morning, and they just answered (tanslated from french):

The only information we have at the moment from the supplier is that he will get back to us soon.
We're sorry we can't give you a more precise answer.
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The two answers are compatible, but slightly different, I think mine is a little bit more optimistic…
 
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#85
I gave up a little bit and bought Ampeg SVT CL Heritage as it popped up at a very good deal nearby and I needed a good amp and some time to get used to it for approaching concerts.
When Mesa arrives in Europe, I will still consider buying it as my reserve/more portable amp, but for now it is what it is, time was ticking out for me. :)
 
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#86
The Mesa Boogie website is now available for specific European countries, for instance Mesa Boogie | Home of Tone gives me the Dutch website, with the ability to order stuff (haven't tried it yet). Not all amps are in stock, but I figure some intern must be at it, adding the inventory on the website since this morning. No preamps to see though, guess the Subway preamps are really discontinued.
 
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I’m pretty sure the pricing includes ~20% VAT plus the exchange rate difference. The US pricing does not include any of the taxes. Most US state sales tax runs ~9% which gets added to the listed prices.
 
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GrayGoesBlack said:
The Mesa Boogie website is now available for specific European countries, for instance Mesa Boogie | Home of Tone gives me the Dutch website, with the ability to order stuff (haven't tried it yet). Not all amps are in stock, but I figure some intern must be at it, adding the inventory on the website since this morning. No preamps to see though, guess the Subway preamps are really discontinued.
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The German site is up as well, but unfortunately nothing in the Subway range available for delivery.....

Edit: no amps available, but now cabs are available, all except for the 115.
Lets wait and see - Mesa is still updating their website :D


But jeez, 2.500 Euros for the 215 and the 410... that's rather steep, never mind all the reasons mentioned. Need to find people with pockets that deep.
 
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To compare the pricing, you have to back out the taxes. Your taxes are higher because they include things like healthcare that we pay for separately, something that's conveniently forgotten when comparing pricing...

Take 2,500 Euros, back out 20% VAT (500 Euro) results in 2000 Euro pre tax, then convert to dollars is $2,153 pre tax like in US published pricing.

At Sweetwater in the US, the 215 is $2,000, the difference between the two prices is $153 (or 142 Euros).

This difference covers the transportation costs, the company registration and operating costs within the EU and UK, the inland freight, the service network, the absurdly high costs of safety and EMC certifications (including all of the various national differences between countries even though they are all "harmonized" within the EU community (not really, only partially "harmonized"), translations of all owner's manuals, service documentation and all the various government fees that are part of operating within each different country within the EU (plus UK).

The differences between EU and US prices are not really all that different.
 
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agedhorse said:
To compare the pricing, you have to back out the taxes. Your taxes are higher because they include things like healthcare that we pay for separately, something that's conveniently forgotten when comparing pricing...

Take 2,500 Euros, back out 20% VAT (500 Euro) results in 2000 Euro pre tax, then convert to dollars is $2,153 pre tax like in US published pricing.

At Sweetwater in the US, the 215 is $2,000, the difference between the two prices is $153 (or 142 Euros).

This difference covers the transportation costs, the company registration and operating costs within the EU and UK, the inland freight, the service network, the absurdly high costs of safety and EMC certifications (including all of the various national differences between countries even though they are all "harmonized" within the EU community (not really, only partially "harmonized"), translations of all owner's manuals, service documentation and all the various government fees that are part of operating within each different country within the EU (plus UK).

The differences between EU and US prices are not really all that different.
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When comparing US an EU prices they are not that different.

Maybe some don't remember that Mesa has always been expensive, premium brand and build quality is beyond others. My friend ordered Mesa Rectifier solo 50 head (was the cheapest model) and rectifier 412 cab for 2000e + 1400e around 20 years ago. On that time you were able to get Marshall JVM head + 412 cab for just below the price of Mesa cab alone. Marshall quality was not even close to Mesa.

If one wants cheaper stuff here, we have some European and American brands like Marbass, Eich and Hartke.
 
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adje said:
For some end-user perspective, from the last time we could purchase Subway gear in the EU, we're looking at about a 25-30% price increase (always including taxes).

... or at least that's how I remember it.
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That’s correct, prices overall have increased, so have the cost of components and labor.
 
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agedhorse said:
To compare the pricing, ... snip ... The differences between EU and US prices are not really all that different.
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OldogNewTrick said:
... that's rather steep, never mind all the reasons mentioned. Need to find people with pockets that deep.
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I never said, that Mesa is more expensive in Europe than in the US. Aguilar is on a comparable pricing level.
All I said that it is expensive. And that it needs customers with deep pockets.
Sure there will be those who can afford 2.500€ for a Subway 410, I was merely wondering how big that market segment is.....

For perspective, a ⁣Glockenklang Take Five Neo 4x10 4 Ohms – Musikhaus Thomann goes for 1.850€ and I doubt they sold a boatload of those.
 
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Well,I don’t think that a cab that goes 2500 euro can be sold nowadays
We undestand that euro price are not so different than usa price,i’m just curious to ask the man who fix this price point how many piecies he expect to sell
 
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cacio said:
Well,I don’t think that a cab that goes 2500 euro can be sold nowadays
We undestand that euro price are not so different than usa price,i’m just curious to ask the man who fix this price point how many piecies he expect to sell
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The market will dictate this.
 
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