• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Mesa Boogie Bass 400+ opinions?

I've worked on many mesa's over the years and I feel they aren't that bad to work on.

You do have to be careful with the heat of your solder gun because the pads on the circuit board will lift fairly easy.

Some of the newer stuff has quite a few parts packed into a small area but not as bad as some.
 
  • Like
Reactions: oZZma
even though I'm currently trying to trade my 400+ stack because I just don't need anything that big, I think it sounded better than the SVT CL.. I use a P-bass mostly though it with Flat chromes and i use both inputs as suggested in other threads and this set-up playing live was like being re-born...
 
I like the 400+'s versatility. I think it covers more ground than their hybrid lines (Carbine and MPulse). But I like the tone of my SVT's more, and the WalkAbout covers most of the ranges of tones I get from the 400+, at a lighter weight. Also wanted to point out that the 12 tubes in a 400+ is often cheaper than the 6 tubes in an SVT.
 
IMO, the 400+ is to bass amps as the Matchless is to guitar amps. Incredibly touch-sensitive and dynamic, loud for it's wattage, infernally bright, and a rewarding challenge to live with.

Either that, or it is an expensive boat anchor filled with fragile glass that never gets clean enough. It depends on your point of view.

I love this post.
 
I use a 400 with 6550s right now (KT88's previously)... they make a big difference. It's my all time favorite amp... it seems to lend a cool voice for every musical style. Prog metal/modern metal, hip hop, chick band acoustic rock. You can't go wrong with it. Add a Sansamp or outboard pre to really increase diversity with it. It has a growly midrangey clear core voice but takes to preamps well!

If you retube, dont worry about the fixed bias "buy Mesa tubes issue". Just get tubes that are around 35mA.

Here is the unmixed version of a jam (bass sounds nastiest in this un-mixed mix) that I love the tone on. Cirrus / Bass 400 / Sansamp BDDI in FX loop / Mesa PH 4x10... blend of DI and SM57.

http://soundcloud.com/dr_thunda/left-brain-solipsism-kali
 
I use a 400 with 6550s right now (KT88's previously)... they make a big difference. It's my all time favorite amp... it seems to lend a cool voice for every musical style. Prog metal/modern metal, hip hop, chick band acoustic rock. You can't go wrong with it. Add a Sansamp or outboard pre to really increase diversity with it. It has a growly midrangey clear core voice but takes to preamps well!

If you retube, dont worry about the fixed bias "buy Mesa tubes issue". Just get tubes that are around 35mA.

Here is the unmixed version of a jam (bass sounds nastiest in this un-mixed mix) that I love the tone on. Cirrus / Bass 400 / Sansamp BDDI in FX loop / Mesa PH 4x10... blend of DI and SM57.



Old, thread, yeah. Found it while researching this amp. Anyway, "Brutal tone, man."
 
  • Like
Reactions: chaosMK and Riv D
Hi all. A Mesa Boogie Bass 400 + has come up for sale on the local CL. I'm certainly intrigued, but I have a couple of questions that I was hoping the TB community could help me with.

1.What's the difference between a 400 and a 400 +?

2. How do these measure up as compared to an SVT CL or a
Fender Bassman 300 Pro, or basically any of the other high powered all tube heads?

3. How's the reliability on these, retubing costs etc?

I'm currently using a Traynor TC 810 in the rehearsal space and a TC electronics 112 at home, and bringing a shuttle 6.0 back and forth for home practice and rehearsals/gigs. The idea was to get a dedicated head to use with the 810 that would be able to drive a second 810 if needed. Would the 400+ be up to the task? Does anyone think the 400+ would work better on top of an 810 than a genz shuttle 6?
1. The 400 has six tubes, and those tubes can be either 6L6 or 6550. The 6550s obviously have more power. The 400+ has twelve 6L6 tubes. The later ones also have a graphic EQ with seven sliders instead of the earlier six.

2. They're roughly equivalent. They have a very different sound than the Ampeg, but about the same amount of volume. Maybe a bit less low end, but, you know, there's an EQ on the amp for that. Unlike the Ampeg, the Mesas have a Fender tone stack, meaning the bass and treble are pretty much boost only, and the mids are cut only. I have a D-180, the precursor to the 400, and I have my mids basically always at "10." When I need an actual mid boost, which the rotary controls are incapable of, I use the graphic EQ.

3. Last I heard, they're pretty reliable. My D-180 has performed well despite being driven hard, and required relatively little maintenance. I suspect the 400 and 400+, being part of the same design family, would be similar. As to retubing costs, while the 400+ has twelve tubes, 6L6 tubes are cheaper than the 6550s that Ampegs use. Don't retube every year, that's just silly. Retube when you actually need to, and even then, replace only the pairs with bad tubes in them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: oZZma