Mesa Titan V12 or aguilar db751

[villegastx]

I dont know how the boogie channel on a TT800 will compare to the big block preamp, since a titan are two big blocks.
But a subway 412 would be nice. I has been looking for a powerhouse 412 and is almost impossible

 

[chaosMK]

Spend some time with the Titan I'd prefer the tone on it for sure.

 

[detracti]

That is a dream that MUST become true!
I'd be willing to pay almost any amount of money for this.

I don't believe it is possible to make a class D powered bass amp that does what the Mesa Big Block 750 or Titan V12 amps do.

I have one of each here now, and they have the exact same character through my Subway cabs.

 

[agedhorse]

I don't believe it is possible to make a class D powered bass amp that does what the Mesa Big Block 750 or Titan V12 amps do.

I have one of each here now, and they have the exact same character through my Subway cabs.

It’s certainly possible, but the market for both of those models is very small and specialized. We are putting g our efforts into amps that appeal to a much wider range of player.

 

[detracti]

It’s certainly possible, but the market for both of those models is very small and specialized. We are putting g our efforts into amps that appeal to a much wider range of player.

Yeah I completely don't get that. I have a WD-800, and have gigged with it. It was okay, but then I went back to my BB750, and the whole band noticed the difference.

Night and day. AFAIC, Mesa isn't Mesa anymore.

 

[agedhorse]

Yeah I completely don't get that. I have a WD-800, and have gigged with it. It was okay, but then I went back to my BB750, and the whole band noticed the difference.

Night and day. AFAIC, Mesa isn't Mesa anymore.

That’s ok, you don’t have to get it. Fortunately, if the need is there, you can always buy used ones. I do need to mention that due to the unavailability of some key components , we can’t always repair them anymore. Those parts are no longer made and some of those vendors just don’t exist now.

Mesa is still Mesa, but if the newer products don’t float your boat, there are plenty of other options out there that may suit your personal needs better.

The Subway amps and cabinets are our most popular and best selling line in the history of the company, they represent what most (not all) players have been looking for in the past 15 years. Players asked and we listened and followed up.

 

[baxter_x]

The Subway amps and cabinets are our most popular and best selling line in the history of the company,

Please, do something for Europe.
I have NEVER seen ANY subway stuff here.
I enjoyed my Titan, M9 , not really the M-pulse neither my powerhouse 410.
But I hear so many great things about the subway line I have to try one of those!

 

[agedhorse]

Please, do something for Europe.
I have NEVER seen ANY subway stuff here.
I enjoyed my Titan, M9 , not really the M-pulse neither my powerhouse 410.
But I hear so many great things about the subway line I have to try one of those!

Thomann has TT-800’s in stock, as well as D-800’s and D-800+’s.

Europe in general tends to shy away from the more expensive amps and cabinets, obviously that affects us more than other companies.

 

[detracti]

That’s ok, you don’t have to get it. Fortunately, if the need is there, you can always buy used ones. I do need to mention that due to the unavailability of some key components , we can’t always repair them anymore. Those parts are no longer made and some of those vendors just don’t exist now.

Mesa is still Mesa, but if the newer products don’t float your boat, there are plenty of other options out there that may suit your personal needs better.

The Subway amps and cabinets are our most popular and best selling line in the history of the company, they represent what most (not all) players have been looking for in the past 15 years. Players asked and we listened and followed up.

OT, but yeah I'm going to snap up 1-2 spares, and hold onto the WD-800. Perhaps I will put the WD-800 in a rackmount as a backup. The one problem I had with it is that at high volume, it "walks". I got a rubber mat, but maybe putting it into a Casesmith Customs 12" deep with a top handle would add enough weight to prevent that.

 

[agedhorse]

OT, but yeah I'm going to snap up 1-2 spares, and hold onto the WD-800. Perhaps I will put the WD-800 in a rackmount as a backup. The one problem I had with it is that at high volume, it "walks". I got a rubber mat, but maybe putting it into a Casesmith Customs 12" deep with a top handle would add enough weight to prevent that.

Yes, all light weight amps can slide around when things get loud. Yoga mat material, bar mats, mouse pads and drawer liner are all common solutions. So is putting it into a rack if the size/weight isn’t an issue.

 

[baxter_x]

I had with it is that at high volume, it "walks"

That's the main and only compromise with class D amps.

 

[baxter_x]

.... A rumor says you can always bring an Ampeg SVT to put it on top of your class D amp to keep it from walking away

 

[/\/\3phist0]

Yeah I completely don't get that. I have a WD-800, and have gigged with it. It was okay, but then I went back to my BB750, and the whole band noticed the difference.

Night and day. AFAIC, Mesa isn't Mesa anymore.

Former Titan fanboy and owner, 400+ and M2000 also.

Maybe: it’s Better? (For MANY) the sound you like is the sound you like. Nothing wrong with that, but lamenting that the amp you like built 30 years ago isn’t being made today?

Mitigating factors for producing class AB SS are unavailable components and LIMITED DEMAND (or sales)

Tastes change and more and more performers are relying on FOH ( like large venues) and I lighter weight, smaller form factor, extensive EQ , lower maintenance cost devices have taken the largest share of the market (which is the economy of scale for the larger corporations)

EQ and voicing plays a Major roll in what comes out of the speakers.
I can get into the 400+ territory with my TT,
And much of what I liked from the Titan is accessible.

Ampeg isn’t Ampeg anymore (Yamaha)
The Venture series is nice but not my cups.
BUT I do love my 50th anniversary Heritage SVT.

Trace Elliot ain’t the same after Peavey.

Fender wasn’t the same after CBS

Mesa isn’t the same after Gibson, and Randy’s retirement : but Andy Field @agedhorse is still the most innovative engineer in the audio field: his ethics and imagination have brought HIGHLY respected sought after devices to market for a whole host of brand names for SEVERAL DECADES.

There is plenty of used devices out there for those of us who are willing to risk running amps with no longer attainable replacement parts, in the quest for tone.

 

[/\/\3phist0]

OT, but yeah I'm going to snap up 1-2 spares, and hold onto the WD-800. Perhaps I will put the WD-800 in a rackmount as a backup. The one problem I had with it is that at high volume, it "walks". I got a rubber mat, but maybe putting it into a Casesmith Customs 12" deep with a top handle would add enough weight to prevent that.

My TT:
The foam mat worked well enough for me, I just wanted to rack it for protection AND quicker setup.
I love the vintage look too.

My “big rig” SVT + LabSeries (Gibson / Norlan / Moog) 215

 

[detracti]

Former Titan fanboy and owner, 400+ and M2000 also.

Maybe: it’s Better? (For MANY) the sound you like is the sound you like. Nothing wrong with that, but lamenting that the amp you like built 30 years ago isn’t being made today?

Mitigating factors for producing class AB SS are unavailable components and LIMITED DEMAND (or sales)

Tastes change and more and more performers are relying on FOH ( like large venues) and I lighter weight, smaller form factor, extensive EQ , lower maintenance cost devices have taken the largest share of the market (which is the economy of scale for the larger corporations)

EQ and voicing plays a Major roll in what comes out of the speakers.
I can get into the 400+ territory with my TT,
And much of what I liked from the Titan is accessible.

Ampeg isn’t Ampeg anymore (Yamaha)
The Venture series is nice but not my cups.
BUT I do love my 50th anniversary Heritage SVT.

Trace Elliot ain’t the same after Peavey.

Fender wasn’t the same after CBS

Mesa isn’t the same after Gibson, and Randy’s retirement : but Andy Field @agedhorse is still the most innovative engineer in the audio field: his ethics and imagination have brought HIGHLY respected sought after devices to market for a whole host of brand names for SEVERAL DECADES.

...

I was gonna say - Ampeg still makes the SVT, Aguilar still makes the DB751, Ashdown still makes the ABM line (apparently). So this doesn't hold universally.

I carry a SansAmp as backup. Very compact.

But I've got the same issue with my vintage turntables, and the answer is to keep spares.

 

[/\/\3phist0]

Aguilar is Korg
Ampeg is Yamaha (and Line 6)


Universally : sales of units of the lead sled class AB SS are in the low hundreds.
Standard bearing models. Mostly at this point for a rapidly shrinking buyer pool.

But yes: but how many companies should be compelled to scrabble over the dregs?

For the prices of the top end AB SS or Tube for that matter, it’s only barely enough demand to support a few boutique companies.

To expect an iconic (but still small!) manufacturer to sustain a build of what was a small volume product (even in the heyday) compared to the volume of GUITAR heads?

As my mom says: “it just doesn’t pencil “

 

[agedhorse]

Former Titan fanboy and owner, 400+ and M2000 also.

Maybe: it’s Better? (For MANY) the sound you like is the sound you like. Nothing wrong with that, but lamenting that the amp you like built 30 years ago isn’t being made today?

Mitigating factors for producing class AB SS are unavailable components and LIMITED DEMAND (or sales)

Tastes change and more and more performers are relying on FOH ( like large venues) and I lighter weight, smaller form factor, extensive EQ , lower maintenance cost devices have taken the largest share of the market (which is the economy of scale for the larger corporations)

EQ and voicing plays a Major roll in what comes out of the speakers.
I can get into the 400+ territory with my TT,
And much of what I liked from the Titan is accessible.

Ampeg isn’t Ampeg anymore (Yamaha)
The Venture series is nice but not my cups.
BUT I do love my 50th anniversary Heritage SVT.

Trace Elliot ain’t the same after Peavey.

Fender wasn’t the same after CBS

Mesa isn’t the same after Gibson, and Randy’s retirement : but Andy Field @agedhorse is still the most innovative engineer in the audio field: his ethics and imagination have brought HIGHLY respected sought after devices to market for a whole host of brand names for SEVERAL DECADES.

There is plenty of used devices out there for those of us who are willing to risk running amps with no longer attainable replacement parts, in the quest for tone.

The Subway amps are all built the same today as they were when they were introduced.

Gibson has had almost no impact on Mesa products to date. Of course that may change sometime in the future, but that discussion is way above my pay grade .

 

[detracti]

The WD-800 sounds nice., and gets good and loud. But it is not the in your face punch in the gut of the Big Blocks.

The parametric EQ is too fiddly for my tastes too. I can play with those dials ad infinitum and barely hear anything different.

I just want to dial out high mid honk, and pump low mid punch... Hard to even find it.

 

[detracti]

Could swap it for a TT-800 I suppose. Just doesn't have the passive mid, and I'd probably never use the Subway channel.

 

[agedhorse]

The WD-800 sounds nice., and gets good and loud. But it is not the in your face punch in the gut of the Big Blocks.

The parametric EQ is too fiddly for my tastes too. I can play with those dials ad infinitum and barely hear anything different.

I just want to dial out high mid honk, and pump low mid punch... Hard to even find it.

The WD-800 was never considered as a contender for the Big Block or Titan tone, in fact everything (to date) has been very different from that family by design. The WD-800 was heavily inspired by the Walkabout and M-Pulse models.

Could swap it for a TT-800 I suppose. Just doesn't have the passive mid, and I'd probably never use the Subway channel.

Sure there's a passive mid on the Boogie channel, the whole eq is based on Mesa's interpretation of the Fender tonestack.