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Metal bass, I really don't understand the fun.

So I recently joined one of my best friends metal band, and they seem to be gaining a good following in my city (for a metal band).

I've played in a metal band before for 3 years but thats all my experience. For 3 years i also went to school for music as well learning about jazz and its in these years that I really gained a fondness of playing stuff like funk and jazz.

Getting to the point I really don't understand how bassists have any fun playing metal anymore, its the most bass line dry genre I've heard, a lot of it is just fast riffage or galloping over the root notes, not much pocket playing or groove.

And yes you can give me the examples Death, Iron Maiden, early 80s metallica, black sabbath, obscrura, necrophagist etc... But these bands are only a handful in the sea of "follow the guitar" bassists in the genre.

Seriously for the most part bass is just a lower guitar without leads in metal. I guess thats fine to have but how does anyone have fun doing that? There is nothing creative to it.

In funk, jazz, classical, pop and even rock there is space for separate and groovy bass lines. I hear more interesting bass in the beatles and the rolling stones than in most modern metal songs.

And there is the odd time bass plays something a bit interesting but i almost see it as the drummer and guitarists taking all this space and leaving some scraps of attention to the bass player.

Guitarists in metal can play melodic leads, and solo every song but when the bass tries to pull of the same its called "overplaying".

I tried playing melodically, to play how I feel... then i was told to shut up.


Metal ****ing sucks.
 
Have you ever stopped to consider that it's your band that sucks, not the genre? You already pointed out some amazing metal bands with top-notch bassists/basslines. I've seen plenty of local metal bands around here with great bass as well. So along with your post contradicting itself, well, you're just wrong :p

Yeah, there is crap out there too, but there's crap in every genre. Nothing special with metal about that.

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It's kinda up to you what to play man. You have the power to make it what you want. If your band doesn't like your playing over the tunes, it's probably time to move on.

You are right, the vast majority of metal is boring from a bassist's point of view. However, so are all genres. It's really up to the player, ain't it?

Metal doesn't suck... the band you are playing with might, their attitude towards bass might but you can't hold metal responsible (any more so than any other genre).
 
Have you ever stopped to consider that it's your band that sucks, not the genre? You already pointed out some amazing metal bands with top-notch bassists/basslines. I've seen plenty of local metal bands around here with great bass as well. So along with your post contradicting itself, well, you're just wrong :p

Yeah, there is crap out there too, but there's crap in every genre. Nothing special with metal about that.

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They don't suck, I'm just upset that they asked for me to play bass knowing the kind of bassist I am. When i played in my thrash band, I had a lot more fun and a lot more space. If they wanted a root note bassist they shouldn't have asked me.

If thats all i'm playing I'd rather go home and practise jazz and funk then boring speed and gallops.
 
Yeah sounds more to me like you either:
1. Don't like metal(at least from a bass guitar perspective).
2. Have some pretty poor bandmates. Dude if they don't support you, and suck the fun out of playing, leave. Music should be fun.

If the first is true there is no reason to be in the band and complain pick one.
If the second is true there is no reason to be in the band and complain pick one.
 
But to me it sounds like you're excusing yourself to not make something innovative for the genre.
Just try to take it to a new level for the style of music you are playing. If your bandmates have a problem with it, so be it. Find people who are willing and accepting of change of direction and not doing the same thing over and over.
Seems like you're in something I can relate to from the past
 
I hear you man. I played with a typical guitarist who wanted to be the star and just wanted a bass player who could keep up. It does suck to play that type of music in all honesty if you are coming from a jazz/funk background.

I enjoyed the energy of the shows and how tight we were as players, but they recently asked me to come back and do a record and I had to turn it down.
 
I hear the OP's pain to an extent. If a drummer is playing straight bass/snare metal beats you really can't do a whole lot. You just gotta find some more interesting rhythms and collaborate with the drummer. It can be done.

But about 90% of metal bands(or hard rock in general) really do suck, and are not fun to listen to or play with. You just gotta find the good ones.
 
But to me it sounds like you're excusing yourself to not make something innovative for the genre.
Just try to take it to a new level for the style of music you are playing. If your bandmates have a problem with it, so be it. Find people who are willing and accepting of change of direction and not doing the same thing over and over.
Seems like you're in something I can relate to from the past

Anything new won't fit with what they do, they have a "sound". Its hard finding metal musicians especially guitarists who have an open mind to a new kind of sound, they alls want to shred and be the centre of attention. For this reason alone i would not go out of my way to start or join another metal band.

I did it for these guys cause they are close friends and they hated their old bassist, now I have to commit to this for a while because it would be a low blow for me the leave em when they have an album launch in a few months. I'm just really upset that they asked me to join "going, your prog and jazz influence will be cool", then figuring out how stiff this stuff is.
 
There are PLENTY of metal bassists out there who play outside the box, play stuff beyond the root notes. Ryan Martinie, Troy Sanders, Steve Harris, Geddy Lee, Rex Brown, some of Mike Starr's bass lines, too. Either you are just not looking in the right areas, are being close minded or else your band has pushed you into a bad frame of mind.

I see where you're coming from, in a thrash metal perspective. I played thrash too, with Charvels and a Jackson, eventually you just grow out of it, its like musical puberty. I see my friends who refuse to go beyond the borders of thrash and just shake my head. I know its totally fine to love a genre of music and be totally into it, but for crying out loud you HAVE to break boundaries some time if you want to actually progress as a musician or as a band.

Maybe your band needs to realize that
 
Anything new won't fit with what they do, they have a "sound". Its hard finding metal musicians especially guitarists who have an open mind to a new kind of sound, they alls want to shred and be the centre of attention. For this reason alone i would not go out of my way to start or join another metal band.

I did it for these guys cause they are close friends and they hated their old bassist, now I have to commit to this for a while because it would be a low blow for me the leave em when they have an album launch in a few months. I'm just really upset that they asked me to join "going, your prog and jazz influence will be cool", then figuring out how stiff this stuff is.

I know this feel all too well xD
But I'm sorry to hear that.
So are they not allowing you to play what you want? Or are you proposing that you want to try something different than the typical 'metal bassist'?
Because I was gonna say start playing with stuff you have in mind without letting them know.
Also, I'd say make it gradual. Don't ge ahead of yourself. They might notice something in you that they haven't before. It might even sound better to them.
 
I actually understand where you are coming from. I have played everything from metal and pop rock to jazz and theater (and all points in between). To me, metal music, and the musicians who play it, are just too "tense" for me (or maybe the proper term is "intense"). I still take the gig when metal bands call. But there is a lot less fun involved in those gigs as opposed to most other styles. I would actually prefer to play 1-5 old school country bass lines all night. Nobody seems to be mad at those gigs. But just about EVERYBODY seems to be mad, or at least WANTS to be mad at metal shows.

That all being said, many of those metal guys can play. They have fingers and talent. I think they just use is wrong. :cool:
 
Dude, grow a pair and quit the band if it's so boring for you. Don't disparage others and a genre as a whole just because you play with some controlling d-bags who you say are your friends (yet you are slagging on them in every post). It's not metal that sucks, it's your attitude that ****ing sucks.

It's called freewill. Nobody is forcing you to do it.