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On The DL

Apr 1, 2008
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#1
hey Justin, I asked you about this a while back and you gave some good advice. I'll try to keep this short. I'm talking to the organization I work for (which would take to long to explain what it is) about getting a cabinet for the Genz Benz head we use in our facility which seats about 1500

I know the reasons behind miiking a cabinet for a room that size and even one smaller, but a "formal" explanation for the reasons behind it would help to convince the department (which has the money) to buy a cabinet and a mic to do so.

I've found tons of sites on what particular mic to use, mic placement etc, which means it's obviously a common practice, but very little info on the reasoning behind it.
Do you know of any sites, off the cuff, I should check out and that would be informative about this?

thanks for your time,
Steven
 
#2
Why not get a Line 6 Bass Pod Xt Pro?

Send the 'without amp sim' to the input of the amp head (which in turn runs to your cab).

Send the 'with amp sim' to the mixing deck. that way you don't need to worry about getting the mic sec up at all, just dial it in on the Line 6. Not only is it more reliable, it is probably cheaper and more versatile for the future and better value as you only need a 'low-med' quality cab.
 
#3
I don't know of particular websites, no. I would just say that you need to express the need to get a fuller, more expansive, less clinical bass sound.

But I would also agree with kyral210's approach just fine. Very sensible, and it'll sound great.

JMJ
 
#4
Justin (and everyone else), have you tried the Sansamp VT pedal yet? I've heard a lot of good reviews for it, but none from someone who's predominantly into tube amps and gets tones similar to what I like. I'm not a huge fan of modeling, but I would agree that in a building where they don't want you to use cabs, modeling would be your best bet. But I've heard that VT blows everything else away that these modeling companies have done and nobody around here has them.
 
#5
JimmyM said:
Justin (and everyone else), have you tried the Sansamp VT pedal yet? I've heard a lot of good reviews for it, but none from someone who's predominantly into tube amps and gets tones similar to what I like. I'm not a huge fan of modeling, but I would agree that in a building where they don't want you to use cabs, modeling would be your best bet. But I've heard that VT blows everything else away that these modeling companies have done and nobody around here has them.
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I just bought one, but it's backordered. A large part of the reason why I bought it is because I run DI only when I play at my church, and the tube-amp/cabinet modeling of the VT should add a lot of warmth and girth to my tone in the PA. Everything that I've seen of the VT has been very, very positive, so I'm pretty excited about giving it a whirl.
 
#6
On The DL said:
hey Justin, I asked you about this a while back and you gave some good advice. I'll try to keep this short. I'm talking to the organization I work for (which would take to long to explain what it is) about getting a cabinet for the Genz Benz head we use in our facility which seats about 1500

I know the reasons behind miiking a cabinet for a room that size and even one smaller, but a "formal" explanation for the reasons behind it would help to convince the department (which has the money) to buy a cabinet and a mic to do so.

I've found tons of sites on what particular mic to use, mic placement etc, which means it's obviously a common practice, but very little info on the reasoning behind it.
Do you know of any sites, off the cuff, I should check out and that would be informative about this?

thanks for your time,
Steven
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Hi Steven,
Something you may find of interest is a dissertion on the subject of mic'ing, done by this young chap as part of his degree. Invalid Link Removed

If you send him a message, he'll kindly send (PDF) you a copy. He's always interseted in feedback on it too.
I found it very interesting, (very) in depth & made me think about possibility of using different tecniques. IMO He certainly did his homework.

Hope this may be of some help
Cheers
Nick
 
#10
I just got back from BC with a VT pedal. I told them to plug me into the least Ampeg-sounding combo in the store, and we used an Eden. Sounded really lame by itself, but that pedal really made it open up and get way more in the ballpark of Ampeg. Of course there's no way for a combo to be a dead-on match for an 810, but it greatly improved the tone of both that Eden and my little Markbass Mini CMD121P combo (which I love). The LMII head in the combo sounds very clean Ampeg-like to my ears but not the cab. But with that pedal it does. I think I will start bringing it on roadtrips instead of the LMII. Security at airports is a real hassle having to pull out the LMII and a laptop. I'm not totally convinced of its Ampeg-ness yet, but it certainly gets close.
 
#11
I don't mind playing through a pod, but they feel compressed and lack what a real cabinet can offer.

We've got a Genz Benz head recently, which I really like and sounds great with in-ears. We just got a Yamaha M7CL which also has helped the sound considerablly too. But inevitably, the top end of the bass always gets lost while the subs do their job well so I think a even a small miked cab off stage would help even that out.

Now I'm really curious to hear this sansamp vt - how does it compare to the sansamp bass driver?
 
#12
On The DL said:
I don't mind playing through a pod, but they feel compressed and lack what a real cabinet can offer.

We've got a Genz Benz head recently, which I really like and sounds great with in-ears. We just got a Yamaha M7CL which also has helped the sound considerablly too. But inevitably, the top end of the bass always gets lost while the subs do their job well so I think a even a small miked cab off stage would help even that out.

Now I'm really curious to hear this sansamp vt - how does it compare to the sansamp bass driver?
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For me there's no comparison. I never was much of a fan of the BDDI, though. Not versatile enough, and never really got me into what I considered Ampeg territory (as always, your mileage may vary). Nice DI with some tone control and a drive knob, but I never felt it did Ampeg as well as the folks at Tech 21 thought. This VT actually seems to do it.
 
#13
Kind of a funny story...I just tried modeling my 64 B-15N with my Markbass Mini CMD121P combo, and got it as close as I could get (which was extremely close, the only real difference being the bigger cab and driver in the B-15). I then turned off the VT and compared tones with the combo set flat save for a 5k rolloff on its VLE knob, and it was identical.

I was pissed at first, but then I thought of how many times I've said that the Little Mark II sounds like a clean running Ampeg to my ears, so now it makes sense to me. And that means the VT just passed its first big test for me with flying colors. My wife is mad at you again, Justin, but flying just got a whole lot easier for me so I say thanks!
 
#14
Sorry to blather on, but I'm convinced of ithe VT's Ampeg-ness now. I just recorded the VT set to emulate my B-15N, and then I recorded the B-15N with a Red Box doing a speaker DI. Impossible to tell apart IMHO. It's really amazing.

Sorry to hijack the thread, too. I love micing but this pedal might make me want to DI again ;)
 
#15
I love ampeg as much as the next guy, well maybe not you Jimmy :), but I'll gladly take most anything ampeg over alot of other stuff. However, I'm definitely going to have to try this VT and if I like it (which I think I will) it may have to replace my Radial Bassbone.


Nick: btw thanks for that link- I haven't had time to check it out, but I will
 
#16
On The DL said:
I love ampeg as much as the next guy, well maybe not you Jimmy :), but I'll gladly take most anything ampeg over alot of other stuff. However, I'm definitely going to have to try this VT and if I like it (which I think I will) it may have to replace my Radial Bassbone.
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You'll still need a DI if you want to use it in an amp and the PA. I don't know if you also use the Bassbone as a DI, but if you do, you might want to hang onto it.
 
#17
I was wondering if it had an XLR output on it because I couldn't see one on the pic I was looking at and I didn't read about any in the specs either.

I do use my bassbone as a di and use the extra 1/4in out and run to an amp (when available).
I just bought a fulltone mosfet (mostly because it's versatile) so I have to resist any "window shopping" for a VT for now
 

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