Wooooow, the aguilar DB750 looks absolutely amazing. I'm going to have to try one 2ax7's, and the el whatever tube just in the preamp, and the power amp is all tube too? Just wow. Can't wait to try that. Looking up the FDeck HPF now.
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Minimum to Support Low B String
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The Aguilar DB750...it has a vulgar amount of power
Is there another filter similar to that available? They don't seem to be available anymore. Sounds like an excellent piece.
i'd guess the low B fundamental isn't super important here. it might be, but i doubt this is what the OP is after. an F-Deck HPF is going to be set at a 35hz minimum, so that would kill the 31hz fundamental if used. so now we are talking 62hz for the 1st overtone, which most cabs should handle.
OP mentioned budget, and the HPF isn't expensive, but adds a big cost layer (as a percentage) for the range the OP probably wants to stay in.
i play in the "more money than talent" bracket, so i can't say what would work in his range. i'd think for his volume output requirements, a single 12" should work with about a 200-300w head (or equivalent combo). a Fender Rumble or Peavey Max combo (100-200w) can be had new for $300-$400. The Rumble 200 is around 35lbs, and has an extension speaker option (so i'm guessing the 200w Rumble puts 100w into the built in speaker). the Rumble 100 is 22lbs, cheaper and smaller, but gives up the extension speaker option.
OP mentioned budget, and the HPF isn't expensive, but adds a big cost layer (as a percentage) for the range the OP probably wants to stay in.
i play in the "more money than talent" bracket, so i can't say what would work in his range. i'd think for his volume output requirements, a single 12" should work with about a 200-300w head (or equivalent combo). a Fender Rumble or Peavey Max combo (100-200w) can be had new for $300-$400. The Rumble 200 is around 35lbs, and has an extension speaker option (so i'm guessing the 200w Rumble puts 100w into the built in speaker). the Rumble 100 is 22lbs, cheaper and smaller, but gives up the extension speaker option.
OP, your thread's going off track here what with fundamentals and db's and harmonics and hundreds and thousands of watts and even some dude saying crank 30hz on a DI.......***???
You're talking about playing with acoustic guitars and hand drums, sometimes not even amplified. You own the low end of the spectrum. I'd be more concerned with not being overbearing than not having enough.
Want a sort of minimum requirement?...fine...call it 20 watts and an 8" speaker...that'll put the jam in your jellyroll.
You don't need a big, loud, or powerful amp to do this, in fact, one could do more harm than good. Go out and play whatever small combos are available in your budget and pick one that sounds nice, is easy to carry, and leaves some change in your pocket. When you put it with acoustics and bongos (or dejembes or cajons), it'll carry the bass just fine.
You're talking about playing with acoustic guitars and hand drums, sometimes not even amplified. You own the low end of the spectrum. I'd be more concerned with not being overbearing than not having enough.
Want a sort of minimum requirement?...fine...call it 20 watts and an 8" speaker...that'll put the jam in your jellyroll.
You don't need a big, loud, or powerful amp to do this, in fact, one could do more harm than good. Go out and play whatever small combos are available in your budget and pick one that sounds nice, is easy to carry, and leaves some change in your pocket. When you put it with acoustics and bongos (or dejembes or cajons), it'll carry the bass just fine.
Firstly, an opinion is an opinion, and knowing what you are talking about and having an opinion are two completley different things. Also, there are far more educated ways of making a point, but that is up to the individual to pursue.
If you had any idea of what rigs and setups I use, and what kind of EQ or sounds I produce, then maybe part of you first reply to my posts would have been relevant, but again, who cares.
I have no more authority telling the OP to focus on the harmonics than you do to tell him to focus on the fundamental, so in the end, both are just opinions. You say that without the fundamental it would be "something that would otherwise sound tinny, and rather boring.", does this refer to all 5 string bassists that use cabs that don't go down to 30Hz?
Anyways, keep up the pleasant comments.
Now you're saying I need to know everything about you, lmfao. No thanks.
We may both be focusing on different opinions but that doesn't make you right to try to tell me I'm wrong. Nice attempt at twisting things up. I'm sure you get far in arguments with stupid people, but no luck here.
Yes, bands that sound like all treble aren't my favourite to listen to live. Yes, tinny and rather boring. It's not referring to bassists, it's referring to sounds coming from an overall band. In a set up like the one he's talking about that has no bass drum on a kit to fill out the low end a rig capable of some lower frequency tones is gonna fill out that space and make the whole thing sound fuller, if they choose to use that approach. Yes, I'd say most bassists that aren't using cabs that go low enough to get their fundamentals sound whack as poopie live, especially if their guitarists are using bass amp-inspired guitar amps. The entire low end gets muddy as poopie from oversaturation and no instrument reproducing the lowest tones properly. If your amp is capable of producing the freqs, with compression you can get a substantial low end focus easily.
You have any more issues with what I'm talking about?
It's pretty wild. Especially since in that region the notes change so easily with even the slightest of difference (the space between notes is lower) it can feel pretty ruthless, disturbing and even nausea inducing. You have to learn to tame it. And all that is something I enjoy. I think skimping on the low end is just something that's become a staple over something they can get away with. The reality is that true full range cabs/amps with the option to cut off freqs at whatever range you wanted both low and high would be superior to any of these skimpy 100hz cutoff points, and pretending like it's ok to make bass amps/cabs that don't reproduce bass notes.
Yup, same thing happens with a sonic maximizer for me ( and i don't use the power amp boost EQ on it). Clarity (aka lack of distortion) makes everything seem louder as you can actually tell what's going on better.
Please enlighten us on what a Sonic Maximizer does, then (it's not a "minimizer")? I've never seen anyone who tries to talk poopie about them even come close to understanding what they actually do.
Less then a half step? OMG, no. like less freqz between.
Yes, i advocate that. Explain your concerns as to why that's a bad idea.
No, you do not need (nor would I want you to) know everything about me, but it would maybe have been useful for you to know what setup I use before saying “Too bad your amp doesn't do what it should”
I believe that statement works both ways. My statement was that at low levels, the B string through my 112 sounds fine, your reply was to “knock off the nonsense and stop spreading disinformation”
I don’t need to get anywhere in an argument, as this is a forum on the internet, not a court case. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I have found that I can get much further, and learn much more, by having an educated conversation with someone rather than an offensive shouting match.
I am so glad you started that paragraph with “aren't my favourite”. Personally, I like all kinds of music, and there are far more genres of music that don’t go below 50Hz, than those that do.
Although the kind of music I play does (in its majority) go rather low, and yes, I use subs to get the fundamental, there are plenty of styles that just don’t need (or wouldn’t sound right with) 30Hz booming about the room, for example flamenco.
I never had any issues with what you said in the first place, only opinions. My only issue (if you want to call it that), is with the way you expressed your comments.
I was actually thinking along the same lines as MDBass
But I actually think you are completely serious.
Back to the OP's original question. I think that your best bet would be to go the used route. As an example, I saw a perfectly gigable SWR Workingman's 12 (120w combo) for $139 in a local shop last week. Having previously owned this model, I would be confident that it (or something similar) would meet your needs. What was expensive 10 years ago can be had on the cheap today. The GK MB112 combos definitely bring bang for the buck, as well.
GC sucks and all that, but there are some solid amps listed here (as a reference):
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The HPF would cut off the high frequencies just enough to allow for the lower end to be heard better. Also, you might want to look into some of the TC Electronic combo amps. At USD 350ish, they are quite the bargain and packed with lots of cutting edge tech that I'm sure would help out a floppy D, I mean B, definitely B. However their customer service may not be the best ... by far ...
I second the WTDI. Just picked one up, and running it into a power amp into my LowB2 is a exercise in low-end excursion with articulation as an added bonus..
And for the record, the BBE Sonic Maximizers work in a very rudimentary fashion to time-align specific frequencies so that they leave a full-range speaker in proper order to have them arrive at a specific location (like the middle of the dance floor), at a given time. They also allow you to synthesize to a degree, the lower frequencies.
Other pieces of equipment also do this to a much more clinical degree. Some of today's powered speaker systems, alignment is actually built into the structure of the power amp section.
Other pieces of equipment also do this to a much more clinical degree. Some of today's powered speaker systems, alignment is actually built into the structure of the power amp section.
Dont do it! Dont take the bait!
I use a pretty medium rig for acoustic stuff. My swr bass 350 into a 210 (swr goliath Jr 3) and a 115 (swr son of bertha) and I keep the volume nice and low. It supports the low B on my 5er plenty. Comes through nice and clear and beefy. If I'm feeling lazy I just bring my 210 cause its lighter but no rig I've played through has ever left me wanting more out of low b
Normally, I would vehemently disagree and give the "speaker size has nothing to do with the sounds it can duplicate, but in terms of bass combos, usually the ones with a 15" speaker have more amplifier in them allowing them to go lower.
I play a V through a Fender Rumble 500 v3 and the low B sounds very good.
I haven't tried the other newer Rumble models, but I do use a Rumble 15 for a practice amp in a 15'x17' room and have no issue with it.
I haven't tried the other newer Rumble models, but I do use a Rumble 15 for a practice amp in a 15'x17' room and have no issue with it.
