Mixing driver sizes

[BurningSkies]

" Jimmy Miller's Milk Crate" is going to be my next side project. Everyone will have to put their gear up on crates, and we'll stack them about the stage for decoration. I know that @JimmyM will be excited.

 

[spectorfreak]

1)Biamping can be a great thing...if the speakers are designed for it as well as the amp setup. Mostly one of those components is falling down on the job in the bass world.

2) It's ain't nothing but a big stage monitor anyway... Maybe your PERSONAL experience. And not that if it is just a monitor its bad for someone to chase an ideal tone (in fact, I'm all for it, or why bother playing). For many of us, some if not most of our amp use is decidedly NOT for stage monitoring but full FOH. 25 years ago, I would have agreed. Good clubs, big stages and decent PAs. Not so much of that in the world these days. I use my amp for FOH bass representation the bulk of the time.

Think you missed my point, but that's the nature of the internet as compared to talking to someone in real life, you lose the humor and context of what people are saying.

 

[Passinwind]

" Jimmy Miller's Milk Crate" is going to be my next side project. Everyone will have to put their gear up on crates, and we'll stack them about the stage for decoration. I know that @JimmyM will be excited.

In-ears look really cute on milk crates.

 

[gln1955]

The 115 and 210 in this series were designed specifically to mix well, and the 115 in this case is thicker sounding because it does have greater LF extension than the 210. If you can't find a contour extension, the focus is very close, just different cosmetics.

Nice. Thanks much!

 

[BurningSkies]

In-ears look really cute on milk crates.

Yes, but you have to turn them way up to hear yourself...and you need to find a really quiet drummer.

 

[Coolhandjjl]

The 115 and 210 in this series were designed specifically to mix well......

I know there are other manufacturers who design some of their line to pair well together as well. But I'll bet that if you ask the salesperson at the music store, they are ALL meant to work perfectly together.

These Mixing Drivers threads are about as controversial as Rickenbacker threads.

Now let's get back to business and keep asking What's the Best Bass for Metal!

 

[wmhill]

Not again.....

 

[CL400Peavey]

Science should always prevail over art.

The rest of your comments are laughable, but this one line sticks in my craw.

Science and art are not mutually exclusive. I would argue that they are one in the same.

 

[BurningSkies]

Okay, I take back everything I said.
Don't use what sounds good to you.
Only use what the experts on the internet tell you is correct.
Even if it sounds good to you do not trust your ears.
Science should always prevail over art.
Stay in line, follow the leader, do as you are told and above all do not break the rules.

How you are getting this message from this thread is well beyond me. It's almost like you're replying to a conversation you're having in your own mind.

 

[Jim Carr]

beat me to it. tough to keep up with all this 'science' stuff.

"...no one "proved" that a bumblebee can't fly. What was shown was that a certain simple mathematical model wasn't adequate or appropriate for describing the flight of a bumblebee. "
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp#L0uiFZZ9uE0oQ21Q.99

 

[Jim Carr]

Yup... http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp

I love snopes.com, but I hope the Urban Myth doesn't obscure the fact that the original remark, made by French entomologist Antoine Magnan in 1934, has been used by anti-intellectuals in recent decades whenever their ignorance is challenged. Every educated person understands the following statement to be true.

"The real lesson to be gleaned from this myth isn't that scientists are so blinded by technicalities that they overlook what is painfully obvious to everyone else (namely, that bumblebees really do fly), but that one needs to understand there can be quite a difference between a real-life concept and a mathematical model of it..."

There is no doubt in my mind that M. Magnan understood this, too. In fact, it was his entire point in making the statement.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp#L0uiFZZ9uE0oQ21Q.99

 

[agedhorse]

I know there are other manufacturers who design some of their line to pair well together as well. But I'll bet that if you ask the salesperson at the music store, they are ALL meant to work perfectly together.

Agreed, "ALL" would be an inaccurate statement. Of course, taken in the context of a sales (or marketing) guy, ALL products he sells will work perfectly together.

 

[seamonkey]

Sorry for the off topic but mentioning bumblebees without mentioning Mark Bass didn't seem right. Never mind.

It's fun when science actually does get something wrong.
The best part is, it takes science to disprove that science got it wrong.
It self corrects.

And those who believe science is a belief and chose to not believe in it, will forever chant about where science got it wrong originally, never the billions of time it got it right or that it eventually did get it right.

Not much more to say: Science Ruining Everything Since 1543

Or longer

 

[chadds]

In reading this, I really appreciate agedhorse's take on this and explanations. It puts it in a context I can understand. I dont have a dog in the fight at all, never saw a need to have a 15 or anything like that, was never against it either though. Just purely ambivalent. I do appreciate seeing myths debunked and seeing some accurate data explained. I guess I wonder why people do the mixed sizes if you do. Also, why does it sound to a lot of us that the 115 is lower. I totally understand the science that its not necessarily, but my ears (preconceived visual notions?) tell me it is frequently lower sounding. Help. thanks.

Cabinet design.

 

[davy4575]

Cabinet design.

Not quite was I was hoping to find, but makes sense I guess. I guess I still dont get why so many seem to favor a 115 or so for lows and a different cab for others, especially if they are only using one amp. I use two amps, one for clean, one for dirty. the clean goes to a 410 (it seems to have more low end capability then the other) and the dirty/effects amp goes to a 210 with horn cause it seems to produce highs a little bit more. but I never thought to use different sizes other than the horn. idk, a 410 seems plenty good on the low end and plenty good on the high end too. Its all Trace Elliot gear so there is never a question of it not being loud enough

 

[chadds]

Bigger meant lower in physics for a good part of our musical history. Organ pipes, Double bass vs Violin. The ten phenom is different. Tens produce the same lows but don't move as much air. Couple them you get more air moved. So 4 10"s move more air, four voice coils handling more watts so more power handling in a similar sized box.

We compare apples and oranges if we ignore cab design. A B-15 can do some lows. It's ported etc. While some of us want punch that fits perfectly as low mids in some music where a roll of at 65hz is fine, others want 40hz, 30hz.

On TB when we can't hear the bassist live & in person and they say deep bass they may mean the lows they like in a Geddy Chris Squire tone. Others want deep organ tones. One is not better than the other. We play different musics and some of us different genres with different groups. Each setting may require different eq settings or rig configuration.

 

[Coolhandjjl]

" Jimmy Miller's Milk Crate" is going to be my next side project. Everyone will have to put their gear up on crates, and we'll stack them about the stage for decoration. I know that @JimmyM will be excited.

I'm gonna use cinder blocks. They're heavier for deeper lows. ​