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Modeling Pre-amps or pedals?

Waltsdog

Waltsdog

Feb 21, 2009
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#1
Not sure if this belongs in the effects or amps forum but I'm ideally looking for a pedal that does this, so here it is:

Does any company make a simplified modeling preamp? I really like the Line 6 Helix, Axe Fx and Positive Grid stuff but none of them quite work for me for various reasons, size, form factor etc.
What I'm looking for a is just amp and possibly speaker modeling in a small form factor (pedal would be nice) with a few presets, say 4-5ish, I don't really need a whole myriad of effects on top.
The positive grid bias bass head gets closest but I'd be paying for a fairly weedy 300w power section that I don't want or need. I've also given a lot of thought to the Helix but it's too big and also does way too many things that I don't need to justify that purchase.
 
#4
I would check out the Atomic Amplifire 6 Or Amplifire Box
Very awesome sounding and simple easily to use modeling pedals. You can use a Preamp only or full modeling of amp and Cab. Load your own IRs and choose which outputs get the IR and which don’t etc. so CAB IR to From XLR out and FX and Preamp only to stage bass amp etc.

Geared more towards Guitar but had a few bass options and but I’ve spend some time with them and you can easily get great Bass tones especially with 3rd party bass cab IR’s.
FX work well on bass and takes pedals well if desired. Also had useful features like aux in , FX loop , headphone jack expression pedal in , very easy to use Software via usb to computer
 
#5
noveltea93 said:
Perhaps the DSM OmniCabSim Deluxe? No presets, but very versatile and not too big.
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Yeah I would use your preamp of choice with something like this.

Not sure how it would be on bass but I've been eying this cheap chinese guitar preamp/ DI box:

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It's the eleca GPM-1, only 32$ off ebay. Has mainly good reviews, they make a bigger bass preamp/expander/DI box but it cost 2x as much.
 
#6
hbabels said:
I would check out the Atomic Amplifire 6 Or Amplifire Box
Very awesome sounding and simple easily to use modeling pedals. You can use a Preamp only or full modeling of amp and Cab. Load your own IRs and choose which outputs get the IR and which don’t etc. so CAB IR to From XLR out and FX and Preamp only to stage bass amp etc.

Geared more towards Guitar but had a few bass options and but I’ve spend some time with them and you can easily get great Bass tones especially with 3rd party bass cab IR’s.
FX work well on bass and takes pedals well if desired. Also had useful features like aux in , FX loop , headphone jack expression pedal in , very easy to use Software via usb to computer
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This looks along the lines of what I'm after, I'll check it out. Shame there are not really any bass models out of the box on this one though.
 
#7
Yeah it's a great unit. Would be nice if it had more bass settings out of the box but a number of the guitar amp models sound really good on bass, the Fender Twin, the Vox and there are some just Power amp models and you put an EQ in front which there are a lot of options for those and with the right IR of which there can be found free or very low cost and bam, great sounds.
 
#8
Sunset Shalom said:
Yeah I would use your preamp of choice with something like this.

Not sure how it would be on bass but I've been eying this cheap chinese guitar preamp/ DI box:

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It's the eleca GPM-1, only 32$ off ebay. Has mainly good reviews, they make a bigger bass preamp/expander/DI box but it cost 2x as much.
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looks like a cheap clone of the sansamp gt2, it works well as a dirtbox (justin chancellor used it this way and there's couple demo on youtube) not sure how it sounds clean on bass though
 
#9
There is nothing better on the market for $200 than a ZOOM B3n, or a used ZOOM B3 for $100. The stuff you don't need you just don't use. Totally digital; quiet, and studio quality. I just sold mine as I have a new Fender Rumble Studio 40 that puts the ZOOM to shame.
 
#10
If the DSM Omnicabsim Deluxe is in the ballpark for you, also check out the Mooer RADAR and the Two Notes Torpedo C.A.B.

Although the OCSD doesn't do presets or IRs, it is a great pedalboard problem solver as long as your gigs don't require switching b/w a bunch of different cabinet tones.

The Radar and C.A.B. offer presets and they use impulse responses. Of these two, while the Mooer is less expensive and physically smaller, the C.A.B. sounds better and offers far more detailed software based editing (especially of power amp, mic choice, and mic placement.)

The Two Notes can be extremely flexible. I've used the Two Notes software to capture IRs of favorite amps and cabs, and I've used the C.A.B. pedal on a range of instruments—bass and electric guitars, but also for adding Martin and Gibson acoustic guitar impulse responses to live performances to a musician's undersaddle piezo-driven acoustic guitar. But although a lot of power is on tap, the C.A.B. is also simple enough to use as you want: just save four or five favorite user presets, and use the pedal's two footswitches to quickly select the one you want.
 
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#11
The new Hotone Binary series seems to be the answer to your question.

Get the Binary Amp pedal for your amp models and the Binary IR Cab pedal is you need more cab models and more specific settings for the cabs than what the Amp pedal offers:

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#12
Re used prices:

I've only the guitar version, but I do like the Vox Stomplab, cheap at US$50-75 - I'm lookin' for a good buy on the bass version.

Next up might be the Zoom MS60b.

Just above (1 trickish) is the Tech21 VTB at US$80-125 but mebbe think about the Joyo American at US$25, new.

You can usually count on me to post about the low-end low-end!
 

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