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Money where my mouth is

If anybody is keeping score, I normally advise people to quit their bands when there is a problem.

So last week, I told my original rock band that the need to 1) write a song with or without me, 2) learn a cover song, or 3) replace me. I agreed to play the 4 shows we have booked, but told them not to book more gigs and expect me to play them.

The reply? "Thanks for agreeing to play these last 4 shows with us." They posted a craigslist ad for a bass player today.

Along with playing bass, I own the trailer which enables us to do road trips (we cannot draw anybody locally because we've been playing the same 10 songs for 14 months - all our friends and family are sick of seeing the same show over and over), I provide about 40% of the funding for the band, I book about half of the gigs, and I'm the only one in the band who knows the names of the notes on a guitar or bass neck, and the only one who can read/write music.

Since we "released" a CD in June 2010, we have written 1 song in 14 months. We successfully learned "Song 2" by Blur after I taught the lead guitar player how to play it. I am, in no way, exaggerating.

I have pitched 4 well-developed song demos, and they were all shot down for being "too bluesy" (i.e. there were sections without powerchords) or "too prog rock" (i.e. I used a diminished chord instead of all powerchords).

Their "business plan" is to "tour and support the album". Now, I'm proud of our CD, but it is not selling, not charting, and has been shopped to record labels but not picked up. We are burning through (my) money to put gas in the van, and half of our gigs are for no pay at all.

Obviously I'm insane because I think we should be working on writing new, better, fresher songs for our second CD. Clearly I am wrong - we should continue to drive 10-16 hours round trip to play bar gigs for 4 people to "support the album".

Every rehearsal takes 4-6 hours of my life to drive through DC area traffic. When I'm there, we practice 9 songs off our CD (which I could have practiced at home, with the CD) plus 1 new original song, plus 2 covers. It costs me about $25 in gas, 2 hours of driving, and 4-6 hours round trip to practice 1 new original song plus 2 covers. And like I said above - I have to give guitar lessons so that these "musicians" can learn a new cover song.

2 months ago, the drummer, singer, and I unanimously agreed that, for long term success, we MUST replace the lead guitar player. He has (IMO) a serious personality disorder, repeatedly gets so high and drunk before getting on stage that he simply embarrasses us, has conned the drummer out of thousands of dollars (he'll pay him back, someday, someday, someday), and embarrasses the $@#$ out of us whenever we meet a potential booking agent, manager, producer, or video producer with drunk/high rambling. So it was settled - this guy must be replaced. I told them at the time "Do NOT back down from this decision - if you agree with me here, today, I WILL HOLD YOU TO IT." No hesitation, we all agreed to replace the guy. (The alternative was that I would cut my losses and quit 2 months ago.)

Guess what happened? 2 months later and they all forgot about it.

We've had some success, but NOT because of our music / CD / popularity.
- We headlined at the 9:30 Club in DC because we knew the promoter, who did us a favor to get on the show, and then the headliner backed out and none of the other bands wanted to play last. So we "headlined" at the awesome 9:30 Club.
- We're producing a music video because our drummer was the real estate agent for the president of the video company. The company wants to break into music videos for bands and needs a guinea pig. So we're getting a video, but not because we're popular, profitable, or in demand.
- We played shows with Buckcherry, Hellyeah, Avenged Sevenfold, Disturbed, and other big names, but only because we're sponsored by Jagermeister and they threw us a bone.

See the pattern? People are doing us favors, but we aren't gaining any traction with a fan base. That's ok - but it's time to write newer, fresher, better music, IMO. What's NOT ok, IMO, is circling the drain and waiting for something magic to happen.

Some fun rationalizations:

The lead singer cannot work on new music because his car needs new brake pads.

The lead guitar player cannot send emails to book gigs because he works 5 days a week, and gets really tired.

The lead guitar player cannot pay his debts to the drummer, because guitar player's wife doesn't like the drummer's girlfriend, so the guitar player "would feel funny" giving the drummer money, which he borrowed/conned from the drummer.

I don't argue with them anymore - I just accept this #$@% at face value.

So I'm putting my money where my mouth is and getting out of this band. I recorded my first studio album with them, played the biggest shows of my life with them, and (if I hadn't quit before the shoot dates) would have been my first music video with them. But it's going nowhere. I'm out.

On the flip side, anybody in the DC area looking for a gig? PLEASE learn their set list before Labor Day Weekend so I can get out of the last 2 shows.

PLEASE someone step up and take my spot. You can play at the Baltimore Grand Prix on Friday of Labor Day Weekend! You can be in a MUSIC VIDEO! I will personally show you how I play all the songs. Please get me out of this nightmare a little bit sooner.
 
Thanks for the gig offer, but I can't take it:)

I think you should be happy you are bailing now. Somebody on here said something like "the only three reasons to take out your bass are for fun, to learn something or earn $$"

You aren't doing any of those things, and your morale and your fundage are taking a beating.

Not to make light of the subject, but you didn't write the current CD, did you? I just sampled the album on your site, and some of the titles are:

Bleed Me Dry
Let This Die
Burnout
and then followed by The Changing

Either a coincidence or pretty spooky:hmm:

Sounded decent, too bad they are flaking out on you.
 
That sucks man. Having to deal with relying on other people is a real drag. You can be in the left lane with the pedal pressed, but stuck doing 20. Good move on finally backing out the band. Personally, I would of told them (*^& off completely and not provide any help for them in having, or suggesting a bass player to them. They obviously are still holding onto you for as much as possible and you are not even the band member anymore.

As for the long rant... I wonder how many keyboard buttons are now broke from possible pounding of keys.
 
I posted that rant while sitting around waiting for them to arrive with the band van (and my trailer) to hit the road for a gig.

And they just called to inform me that they're running 1.5 hours late, and if we're only 2 hours late to the gig it will be a miracle.

It just never ends with these guys.

And yeah, I wrote 2/3 of the material on the album with them. A couple of songs were finished when I joined. Thanks for the kind review. Back in the old days, when everybody was on the same page, the music was fun, the shows were fun, and only the money was a joke. Now the whole operation is a joke.

And their solution is to replace me. Ah, good riddance.
 
If the situation is as you describe it, I say get out BEFORE word gets around town to the effect of, "Is that the bass player that works with THOSE losers?"

Your stock will fall along with theirs.

It's those kinds of guys that lead people to label all musicians as unreliable jerk-offs, and they're not even musicians.

Good luck bro...
 
Wow, that band sounds.... awesome... Seriously though, props for getting out, and props for actually putting your feet and mouth in the same direction. Sounds like you played some pretty good shows, its too bad the whole things went south. I am sure you will find another gig that holds together. I can tell you have the dedication, and it sounds like you can handle an instrument of sound. Best of luck to ya!
 
Reading your OP makes me think that people can be divided into 2 groups:

Some will use every little thing that happens in life as excuses not to accomplish anything.

Others will work & work & work harder & harder, to accomplish things in spite of every little obstacle that life throws at them.

Congratulations on getting out. Good luck finding some guys more your style!
 
Somebody on here said something like "the only three reasons to take out your bass are for fun, to learn something or earn $$"

If it's not fun and there's no money, you made the right choice.
yeah, it's "the music, the money, or the hang" ("hang" meaning friends you like playing with just because).

3 of three is the perfect gig, 2 of three is a good gig, 1 of three is a crappy gig.

sounds like you've got 0 of three.
 
How in the world did you not quit earlier?

Maybe because of this:

Jason P Bass said:
We've had some success, but NOT because of our music / CD / popularity.
- We headlined at the 9:30 Club in DC because <snip>
- We're producing a music video because <snip>
- We played shows with Buckcherry, Hellyeah, Avenged Sevenfold, Disturbed, and other big names, but only because we're sponsored by Jagermeister and they threw us a bone.

See the pattern? People are doing us favors, but we aren't gaining any traction with a fan base
People are taking an interest at some level, enough to throw the bones. I'd hang as long as I could in case they (the band) come around too. And I'd do my head in trying to help them realise it before bailing.
 
Hell, I'd sub for you just to watch the race. :D

Other than that, it's a good thing you're moving on. It's one thing to not every little bit of music theory, but another to not even know the basics. Let me guess, your guitarist does it all by "ear", right? I've seen that one before. Few people can pull it off. Add in substance/reliability issues and you've got a recipe for diaster.
 
The situation is a shame. I really like your band's music and just ordered a copy of the CD. You sort of remind me of what used to be one of my area's best bands. They broke up last year when the drummer moved to NC to seek fame and fortune.

I've dealt with bands that were emotionally and mentally draining, but haven't been hit in the pocketbook like the OP. Those guys will wear you out. Keep writing cool songs and find some other folks to play them with!
 

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