More COPS gone wild....

[GlennW]

I use common sense.

Where?

 

[Unrepresented]

I suspected as much.

You're conflating the roles of private citizens and law enforcement. The expectations should be different.

I expect far more of police than I do of the average citizen. Sinking to the level of those you're there to serve isn't an ideal solution for anyone involved.

 

[blue4]

Doesn't mean tasering them and giving them a body cavity search either.

No one is saying that there aren't bad cops. They way you tell it though, every cop is a bad cop. Or are we supposed to believe there is a cavity search epidemic? There are legitimate concerns and genuine complaints about the police procedures in America. But nonsense complaints like this, not to mention the "make a generalization a minute" crowd, cheapen these real complaints. The majority of police are good people who do a tough job daily. Their families sacrifice as well. They get to listen to politicians whine because they get a pension. Taxpayers who whine that they should "held to a higher standard" and "live to serve" all while on a McDonald's manager salary. If my being willing to give them the benefit of the doubt makes me a cop "apologist", well so be it.

 

[Marlat]

You're conflating the roles of private citizens and law enforcement.

No, I understand the difference. You just seemed to be putting yourself in the position of the "enlightened" citizen in this thread (rather than the average citizen). Hence my question.

I expect far more of police than I do of the average citizen. Sinking to the level of those you're there to serve isn't an ideal solution for anyone involved.

I'd argue that operating squarely within the law isn't sinking to the level, its doing what you are supposed to be doing. Kind of like driving at or under the speed limit. Pushing the boundaries isn't what you are supposed to be doing and we both agree its a bad thing.

 

[powderfinger]

No one is saying that there aren't bad cops. They way you tell it though, every cop is a bad cop. Or are we supposed to believe there is a cavity search epidemic? There are legitimate concerns and genuine complaints about the police procedures in America. But nonsense complaints like this, not to mention the "make a generalization a minute" crowd, cheapen these real complaints. The majority of police are good people who do a tough job daily. Their families sacrifice as well. They get to listen to politicians whine because they get a pension. Taxpayers who whine that they should "held to a higher standard" and "live to serve" all while on a McDonald's manager salary. If my being willing to give them the benefit of the doubt makes me a cop "apologist", well so be it.

True. Not all cops are bad. Many do truly care about their communities and serving the public. I will not and cannot deny this.

And while not an "epidemic" of body cavity searches, these stories about tasering, searches, assaults, shootings, etc. are becoming increasinly more frequent. Back when I was in college even, you would hear about a bad cop abusing his power every once in a while. But now, it's like every day you hear about it.

 

[Unrepresented]

No, I understand the difference. You just seemed to be putting yourself in the position of the "enlightened" citizen in this thread (rather than the average citizen). Hence my question.



I'd argue that operating squarely within the law isn't sinking to the level, its doing what you are supposed to be doing. Kind of like driving at or under the speed limit. Pushing the boundaries isn't what you are supposed to be doing and we both agree its a bad thing.

I have no legal or criminal justice training. I have very limited "enlightenment" beyond the average citizen, other than apparently a stronger desire for protection of our public.

 

[cheezewiz]

Could it be that the instances of abuse are occuring at about the same rate as always, but they are more frequently reported, latched onto by the media more often, and easily spread on social media quicker than ever?

 

[edpal]

Could it be that the instances of abuse are occuring at about the same rate as always, but they are more frequently reported, latched onto by the media more often, and easily spread on social media quicker than ever?

DING, DING - we have a winner. Seriously, police departments are less tolerant of the rogue cops then ever. They pose a huge liability issue for the departments. And yes, now citizens may have dash cameras, cell phones, etc.

My previous wife (r.i.p.0 was a sheriff's deputy and those abusive cops are held in low regard by most of their fellow officers - they make the job more of a PITA and dangerous to both citizen and officer.

One may not like cops or the things they might arrest you for, but next time you have trouble on your doorstep I'll bet it's the cops you call, not Ghostbusters.

 

[Unrepresented]

Could it be that the instances of abuse are occuring at about the same rate as always, but they are more frequently reported, latched onto by the media more often, and easily spread on social media quicker than ever?

I'm not sure which way you're leaning with this statement:

1) The problem is the technology, building false concerns over a relatively limited issue.

2) The technology is finally providing exposure for a chronic problem that previously had been easier to ignore.

3) A little from column A, a little from column B.

 

[edpal]

A lot of laws are just random and there to entrap people and create revenue.

This is at such odds with your sig. "Gossip is the devils' radio.. don't be a broadcaster." Seems you are in the broadcasting biz and don't want any competition.

Doesn't mean tasering them and giving them a body cavity search either.

Both have their applicable moments.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

I'm not sure which way you're leaning with this statement:

1) The problem is the technology, building false concerns over a relatively limited issue.

2) The technology is finally providing exposure for a chronic problem that previously had been easier to ignore.

3) A little from column A, a little from column B.

I believe that what he's suggesting is the rate of abuse might appear be increasing because the frequency of it being documented by citizens has increased and the fact that the media has learned that these kind of stories draw lots of hits (advertisement revenue) because it invokes rage. However, it's very likely that these two things might be entirely unrelated to the actual rate of police abuse. In fact, I would venture to guess that it has decreased because the police are now more aware that they are being watched (which is a good thing, IMO).

 

[powderfinger]

Could it be that the instances of abuse are occuring at about the same rate as always, but they are more frequently reported, latched onto by the media more often, and easily spread on social media quicker than ever?

That's a possiblity. So then the problem has been around a lot longer than we realized previously.

 

[LiquidMidnight]

Of course, the administration at my department considered me pretty much the worst cop that ever lived, so take that for what it's worth.

Fight the good fight, Cheeze. I think you're one of the coolest cops who's ever lived. You understand the awesomeness that only comes with a 400 series Mesa.

 

[LiquidMidnight]

One may not like cops or the things they might arrest you for, but next time you have trouble on your doorstep I'll bet it's the cops you call, not Ghostbusters.

Egon, R.I.P.

 

[Unrepresented]

I believe that what he's suggesting is the rate of abuse might appear be increasing because the frequency of it being documented by citizens has increased and the fact that the media has learned that these kind of stories draw lots of hits (advertisement revenue) because it invokes rage.

That's what I was trying to suggest in my first option.

 

[Metalbasspro]

Metal, I'm sensing that you've talked yourself into getting arrested at some point in the past.

Nope I have verbally stood my ground against idiots with badges many times but never been arrested.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

That's what I was trying to suggest in my first option.

Oh yes. You are. My apologies, I misread that.

 

[powderfinger]

I don't mind the cops patrolling my neighborhood. It helps deter burglars.

I also don't mind cops pulling drunks off the road, or pulling over people driving like nutcases.

I guess all I'm saying is... I wish cops could get back to a point of protect and serve. Not bully and harrass, and to scare the hell out of law abiding citizens.

We need more good guys, and less guys like this..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/christopher-beatty-arrest-iced-tea_n_3232925.html

 

[Metalbasspro]

Which ones? Please cite to the statute.

NONE require ID but some require that you ID yourself if a police officer asks you to ID yourself. SO you can be taken in if you don't have your ID. Essentially the same thing.

 

[Metalbasspro]

Sure they do. They get a quota of 8 hours of sleep a night at the station while you are paying them. Oh, and by the way, I never had a quota. (Well, other than the time the Chief was gonna give our wives new toasters and waffle irons if we wrote 50 tickets in a month......and in case you're stoned or drunk and missed it...that was sarcasm)

In some places I think LA was one police were obligated to make a certain number of stops or contacts. After that was made policy the abuses began.