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More Fun with the Modelo Uno: Forward and Lateral Motion

I don’t know why, but this part of the job drives me... NUTS! Bwaa ha ha ha!

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I have a small dilemma. I have two packs of strings: GHS Precision Flatwounds and LaBella 760FL’s.

The LaBellas have a more refined feel and sound which would be appropriate for a bass of this caliber. They’re also 104’s which might be a nice pairing with this thin neck.

The GHS strings have an aggressive midrange which would probably pair really nicely with the raw sound of the pickup. They’re 105’s.

Tough call. They’ll both sound good in their own ways. What do you guys think?
 
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I don’t know why, but this part of the job drives me... NUTS! Bwaa ha ha ha!

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I have a small dilemma. I have two packs of strings: GHS Precision Flatwounds and LaBella 760FL’s.

The LaBellas have a more refined feel and sound which would be appropriate for a bass of this caliber. They’re also 104’s which might be a nice pairing with this thin neck.

The GHS strings have this prominent midrange which would probably pair really nicely with the raw sound of the pickup. They’re 105’s.

Tough call. They’ll both sound good in their own ways. What do you guys think?
Make a matching bass?
 
I don’t know why, but this part of the job drives me... NUTS! Bwaa ha ha ha!

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I have a small dilemma. I have two packs of strings: GHS Precision Flatwounds and LaBella 760FL’s.

The LaBellas have a more refined feel and sound which would be appropriate for a bass of this caliber. They’re also 104’s which might be a nice pairing with this thin neck.

The GHS strings have an aggressive midrange which would probably pair really nicely with the raw sound of the pickup. They’re 105’s.

Tough call. They’ll both sound good in their own ways. What do you guys think?

I’m a big fan of GHS Precision Flats. But then again I’ve never tried La Bellas. What colour are the silks on the LaBellas? I’m not sure how the purple on the GHS would look against the blue.
 
I’m a big fan of GHS Precision Flats. But then again I’ve never tried La Bellas. What colour are the silks on the LaBellas? I’m not sure how the purple on the GHS would look against the blue.

I’m not sure what the color of the LaBellas are, actually. I ended up choosing the GHS strings. I like ‘em - they sound great out of the pack.

LaBellas are worth checking out. The medium gauge have higher tension and the surface feels great. What’s nice about them is that they sound better as they get older. They have a certain sound, though. I don’t know if it’s the sound I want out of this bass.

The 760FL’s I have are 104’s and supposedly are lower tension. I haven’t tried ‘em though.
 
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Alright, I got strings on it and I can plug it in.

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I could have placed the bridge maybe .125“ - .25” further back. I had to bring the E string almost to the end to get it intonated.

I still have to adjust the action and maybe give the neck a little more relief. Once I dial all that in, it’ll play pretty good.

The main thing is that it sounds awesome. That fat single coil really pulls out the stops on this bass. Fat, juicy and warm, but still had plenty of top to spare. If the center of the bass and treble controls are 0, I’m boosting the bass maybe 15%-20% and cutting the highs by maybe 10%. It shakes the house.

The other good news is that my aluminum shield works. I AB’d it with the test bass that has no shield, and there’s barely an audible difference.

One thing I noticed is that there definitely is a 60 cycle hum. I’ve never played a bass loaded with one single-coil.

A few more tweaks, but I’m really excited. This is by far the best sounding bass I have made to date. And it’s got a vibe all it’s own.
 
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Loving your work!

I guess the hum is part of the single coil sound, but if you can find room somewhere for a dummy coil you could get rid of it that way

Thx!

I was reading up on dummy coils for a minute. To do it right, you gotta calculate the surface area of your live coil and make a larger dummy coil with the same surface area and like 40AWG wire. Some guys put them inside the pickguard, sandwiched between the layers of plastic!

Pretty interesting stuff. I might look into it sometime. But, a lot of guys just live with the 60 cycle hum. I’ll have to decide if it actually bothers me or not.
 
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Thx!

I was reading up on dummy coils for a minute. To do it right, you gotta calculate the surface area of your live coil and make a larger dummy coil with the same surface area and like 40AWG wire. Some guys put them inside the pickguard, sandwiched between the layers of plastic!

Pretty interesting stuff. I might look into it sometime. But, a lot of guys just live with the 60 cycle hum. I’ll have to decide if it actually bothers me or not.

The best dummy coil is exactly the same size and specs as the main coil, just no magnets. Mount it inside the body, near the pickup. Opposite wind, in series.

I played around with dummy coils some years back, and they aren't complicated. Think of it as a dual coil humbucker, except you take the magnets out of the second coil, so it doesn't pick up string motion. Then you can move the dummy coil down lower, hidden inside the body.
 
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The best dummy coil is exactly the same size and specs as the main coil, just no magnets. Mount it inside the body, near the pickup. Opposite wind, in series.

I played around with dummy coils some years back, and they aren't complicated. Think of it as a dual coil humbucker, except you take the magnets out of the second coil, so it doesn't pick up string motion. Then you can move the dummy coil down lower, hidden inside the body.

How much does that affect the sound of the pickup? It seems like doubling the size out your coil your would have a noticeable change in sound.
 
First, I would just try adding a dummy coil exactly like your main coil, and see what the added resistance/inductance does to the sound. It may not be much change at all, and you may like it.

If it does cut the highs too much, you can make the dummy coil the same form and number of turns, but larger gauge wire.
 
Well I rocked out on the new bass pretty much all day yesterday. My fingers hurt! I’ll say that for now, this bass is done!

I have it pictured here with the super cool silver sparkle Couch strap the li’l Lady got for me.

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I do have a couple of little things I have to address. I have a cream pearloid pickguard blank coming in this weekend. I’ll see if that matches the headstock a little better.

I have some tweaking to do on the preamp. Originally, I voiced it for another pickup. There’s a high pass filter at the front end that boosts everything above 50Hz. I don’t think I need that much low end coming out of the instrument. As it is I have the bass control backed way down - I might even be cutting some of the lows. It’s a pretty easy job - it’s really just a matter of swapping out two caps.

Sometime next week, I’ll post some glamor shots and a post-production assessment of the instrument.
 
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Today, I switched out the GHS Precision Flats with a set of LaBella 760FL's. What a world of difference!

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A little back story: for a long time, I was on the search for the perfect flatwounds. It's a lost cause - what I discovered is that all the different brands and variations on the different brands all have their characteristics. You got to find the right string for the right bass. That being said, I ultimately settled on the Sadowski Black Label flats. They were made by LaBella and sounded similar to the LaBella 760FS strings, but they had a little more midrange and a little less string tension. I liked sound of the LaBella 760FS, but the tension was too much. And on my Jazz Bass, they 760FS strings didn't sound too good - the restrained midrange of the strings sort of killed the characteristic phase-cancelled sound of the Jazz Bass. Anyway, long story short, Sadowski stopped making the Black Label strings and replaced them with the new Blue Label strings. (Just skimming through some threads here on TB, they don't sound all that similar).

A few years back, I went to the BassStringsOnline.com showroom (it was about 20 miles from my house). Consulting with Jason and trying out a ton of strings there, I was able to sample tons of different flatwound strings. I didn't really want to go back to the LaBella 760FS because frankly, the tension kills me (in my middle age, I've develop a small cramping problem). I tried the D'Addarrio Chromes, and they were too clanky-sounding. The Thomastik-Infeld flats sounded good but the wet spaghetti noodle vibe was a real buzzkill. I ended up settling on the GHS Precision Flats - they're pretty cheap, they have a stout midrange, the tension is about right and out of the pack, they don't sound too bright.

I use the GHS precision flats on my test bass, so I figured I'd put them on this new bass. They were OK but I think this new bass brings out whatever weaknesses strings may have. I was getting all these weird overtones, some of the notes would "bloom" harmonically for no explicable reason and overall they sounded really uneven to me.

Enter the LaBella 760FL's. I've a pack of these laying around my house for years. I bought them in a pinch when I was at The Amp Shop Bass Exchange in North Hollywood. I discovered that day that Sadowski had discontinued the Black Labels and they were out of the 760FS. I brought them home and because I feared the high tension of the 760FS strings, I never put the 760FL's on a bass. So, realizing that I didn't like the GHS Precision Flats, I replaced them with the lonely package of 760FL's.

The 760FL's are 104s, so they're slightly lighter gauge than the 760FS strings. This is good because, while they are smaller, I don't really notice the .001" difference in size but the difference in tension is definitely noticeable. In addition, the more restrained midrange compliments the midrange monster of a pickup I designed for this bass. No weird overtones, no inexplicable harmonic bloom in random places, consistent volume from note to note.
 
I took some glamor shots of the blue Modelo Uno a few nights ago. I’m hoping to do an audio/video demo happening sometime in the next few weeks - I’m programming some drum tracks now.

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I might take some more photos using a different background and lighting design. We have this faux bleached wood tabletop that might look nice. I’d have to make a lighter backdrop. We’ll see.
 
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