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Motorcycle Helmets

Geoff St. Germaine said:
From everything I've read Snell is the far more stringent testing standard, otherwise, why would you see helmets that are only DOT approved being the cheapest helmets whereas more expensive helmets will carry both approvals. It wouldn't make any sense.
Invalid Link Removed. I've also read in Motorcycle Consumer News which specifically pointed to the DOT tests as being far more important than the Snell ones, and suggesting that DOT helmets which are not Snell approved are actually better in the real world than Snell approved helmets (As the motorcyclist article also hints). It's an old article and it's not online, though, so I can't reference it.
 
Fwiw NHRA requires at least a Snell 95 helmet for anything that runs 13.99 seconds or quicker in he 1/4 mile, while a DOT helmet is only good for 14.00 seconds or slower.

That alone tells me the Snell helmet provides better protection than the DOT one does.
 
SuperDuck said:
A motorcycle helment is one of those items in life where I would NOT skimp and buy a cheapie version off of eBay. I guess the real question is: How much is it worth to you to keep your brains inside your head?

+1000

Another thing is comfort ... the better helmets have better linings and air flow. Arai is the best, and most of my helmets are Arai ... I have one Shoei. You should be paying around $200-$400 for a good Japanese helmet.
 
Mike N said:
Fwiw NHRA requires at least a Snell 95 helmet for anything that runs 13.99 seconds or quicker in he 1/4 mile, while a DOT helmet is only good for 14.00 seconds or slower.

That alone tells me the Snell helmet provides better protection than the DOT one does.
Actually ot only tells you that the NHRA buys into the Snell mythos. And you of all people should know that track/racing equipment requirements are very different than street/real world ones.

From the above Motor Cyclist article:
But as helmet technology has improved and accident research has accumulated, many head-injury experts feel the Snell M2000 and M2005 standards are, to quote Dr. Harry Hurt of Hurt Report fame, "a little bit excessive."

The killer—the hardest Snell test for a motorcycle helmet to meet—is a two-strike test onto a hemispherical chunk of stainless steel about the size of an orange. The first hit is at an energy of 150 joules, which translates to dropping a 5-kilo weight about 10 feet—an extremely high-energy impact. The next hit, on the same spot, is set at 110 joules, or about an 8-foot drop. To pass, the helmet is not allowed to transmit more than 300 Gs to the headform in either hit.

Tough tests such as this have driven helmet development over the years. But do they have any practical application on the street, where a hit as hard as the hardest single Snell impact may only happen in 1 percent of actual accidents? And where an impact as severe as the two-drop hemi test happens just short of never?

Dr. Jim Newman, an actual rocket scientist and highly respected head-impact expert—he was once a Snell Foundation director—puts it this way: "If you want to create a realistic helmet standard, you don't go bashing helmets onto hemispherical steel balls. And you certainly don't do it twice.

"Over the last 30 years," continues Newman, "we've come to the realization that people falling off motorcycles hardly ever, ever hit their head in the same place twice. So we have helmets that are designed to withstand two hits at the same site. But in doing so, we have severely, severely compromised their ability to take one hit and absorb energy properly.

"The consequence is, when you have one hit at one site in an accident situation, two things happen: One, you don't fully utilize the energy-absorbing material that's available. And two, you generate higher G loading on the head than you need to. "What's happened to Snell over the years is that in order to make what's perceived as a better helmet, they kept raising the impact energy. What they should have been doing, in my view, is lowering the allowable G force.

"In my opinion, Snell should keep a 10-foot drop [in its testing]. But tell the manufacturers, 'OK, 300 Gs is not going to cut it anymore. Next year you're going to have to get down to 250. And the next year, 200. And the year after that, 185.'"

The Brand Leading The Brand

"The Snell sticker," continued Newman, "has become a marketing gimmick. By spending 60 cents [paid to the Snell foundation], a manufacturer puts that sticker in his helmet and he can increase the price by $30 or $40. Or even $60 or $100.

"Because there's this allure, this charisma, this image associated with a Snell sticker that says, 'Hey, this is a better helmet, and therefore must be worth a whole lot more money.' And in spite of the very best intentions of everybody at Snell, they did not have the field data [on actual accidents] that we have now [when they devised the standard]. And although that data has been around a long time, they have chosen, at this point, not to take it into consideration."
Invalid Link Removed. Interesting stuff, the Snell reply is kind of rambling. My helmet is Snell M95 certified.
 
Thanks for all the advise. After talking with a lot of people they convinced me to go try out helmets at the local shop. There I found the Scorpion EXO 400. This helmet is Snell and DOT approved. It has great ventilation and looks cool. Thanks for the help guys, this made buying my helmet really easy!

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karrot-x said:
Heh ya, I also bought gloves that are steel plated in the front and have leather and studs at the palm. I'm working on boots and a jacket. I need more $$ for those :).

What size shoe do you wear? I have a pair of barely used Alpinestar GP Pros (I think that's the model) in all black. These are the ones made for racing with the sliders and stuff. No need for them... no bike. They are a US 9 or 9.5. I paid $200 for them a while ago an rarely wore them.

Jeff