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must everything "pop"?

Some of the writers & producers on mass pop albums are also the same people who write & perform with "real" musicians. So do they only have talent on Tuesdays?

This whole argument is ridiculous....there's no hard line in the sand that determines if a song is "real music" or not. Keep patting yourself on the back for being the spokesperson of real music if it helps you get through the day.

whatever you say. autotune's talent? MAN I must not be with the program!
 
Most? Again with the generalities.

A thought.

Maybe they did it because it served the song? It is, after all, THEIR music (or idea of it)

Full disclosure, I'm not a fan of it but I have thought that it is useful for those that can't carry a tune in a bucket, but still have something musical that they want to share. It's not my cup of tea, but I know what it's like to need to play and share music. If I understand that, I'm less likely to degrade it or dismiss it. In fact, I respect it.
 
wikipedia describes it as mainly androgynous and diverse, not "pushing for change" like said.

Actually, I think what I said was "trying to stretch boundaries." And if you're going to use Wikipedia as a souce, at least quote it accurately: " The flamboyant costumes and visual styles of glam performers were often camp or androgynous, and have been connected with new views of gender roles." In other words, they were trying to stretch boundaries.

Q.E.D.
 
Actually, I think what I said was "trying to stretch boundaries." And if you're going to use Wikipedia as a souce, at least quote it accurately: " The flamboyant costumes and visual styles of glam performers were often camp or androgynous, and have been connected with new views of gender roles." In other words, they were trying to stretch boundaries.

Q.E.D.

in sexuality.
 
Most? Again with the generalities.

A thought.

Maybe they did it because it served the song? It is, after all, THEIR music (or idea of it)

Full disclosure, I'm not a fan of it but I have thought that it is useful for those that can't carry a tune in a bucket, but still have something musical that they want to share. It's not my cup of tea, but I know what it's like to need to play and share music. If I understand that, I'm less likely to degrade it or dismiss it. In fact, I respect it.

it shows a lack of consistency. Now that we've mutually observed that, what does that truly say for talent? Talent is not simply ideas.
 
Either you have a set of objective rules to judge against, or it is subjective.

Be careful though - that same set of rules can be used to assess your polychordal non-pop music too!

oh believe me, I'm sure my crap will not be nearly as shimmery as what anyone else has done, except unlike lady gaga I won't have to look stupid wearing a bunch of designer outfits that make zero sense.
 
it shows a lack of consistency. Now that we've mutually observed that, what does that truly say for talent? Talent is not simply ideas.

We have mutually observed nothing of the sort. You say lack of consistency, I say flexibility and experimentation. :bassist:

As for what it truly says for talent, I don't know. I'm not a judge on "XXX" Idol or "XXX"'s Got Talent. I'm just a potential customer with an open mind and an honest curiosity.