I completely agree. It's on the same wavelength of saying "Einstein had no idea what he was talking about". Like, come on...
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My dad doesn't like Paul McCartney :(
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So is this the part where one side resorts to insults because they can't forcibly convince people that their opinion is superior? Some folks have a hard time understanding that there is a whole universe that gets by pretty well (and always has) without giving a crap about the Beatles. It's not enough to say that one respects their influence and contribution...one must submit all free will to the alter of John, Paul, George and Ringo....
Give me a break. I don't walk around stating that their music was just crack for the same intellectually stunted masses that need something simple to listen to that doesn't conflict with their fragile conceptions of "pop" music just because I don't adore them. I mean, why try to expand your horizons when you can just listen to "Yellow Submarine"?
Personally, I'd rather listen to Wu Tang Clan.
Give me a break. I don't walk around stating that their music was just crack for the same intellectually stunted masses that need something simple to listen to that doesn't conflict with their fragile conceptions of "pop" music just because I don't adore them. I mean, why try to expand your horizons when you can just listen to "Yellow Submarine"?
Personally, I'd rather listen to Wu Tang Clan.
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If this was just about liking, or not liking the Beatles, this thread would be dead by now. The issue is some people trying to rewrite history regarding the Bestles influence. They went from Long Tall Sally to Abbey Road in 6 years and changed the face of popular music. A rock musician saying they weren't influenced by the Beatles is just displaying a total lack of understanding of the evolution of rock music. Very few rock musicians could trace their influences backwards without running into the Beatles. And calling them a boy band or vocal group is just ignorant.
I don't like every band that influenced the people that influenced me, but I don't deny their influence.
Exactly. Why is it so hard for some to grasp the concept that one can have respect for their influence without caring for their music?
Long Tall Sally was a cover. I hope they would have progressed beyond that the same way many bands of their generation did.
I consider myself an extremely huge Beatles fanatic. And I think yellow submarine sucks. Probably one of their worst songs. (Except for Wild honey pie and the likes)
Yellow submarine is not a good song to judge the Beatles on based on their other far superior work.
I'm out of here!
This has degenerated into the usual mud slinging TB mess.
This has degenerated into the usual mud slinging TB mess.
Many people ask what are Beatles? Why Beatles? Ugh, Beatles, how did the name arrive? So we will tell you. It came in a vision--a man appeared in a flaming pie and said unto them "From this day on you are Beatles with an A." "Thank you, Mister Man," they said, thanking him. -John Lennon
The Beatles made one of the first ever music videos, in 1966 for Paperback Writer.
The Beatles made one of the first ever concept albums, in 1967, with Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
The Beatles played one of the very first stadium concerts, in 1965, at Shea Stadium.
The Beatles created one of the very first self-contained record labels, in 1968, with Apple Records.
The Beatles were involved in the first Global Satellite broadcast, in 1967, with "All You Need is Love."
The Beatles pioneered or popularized a number of studio techniques, including double tracking, compression, phase-shifting, and innovative mic use.
The Beatles were either first, or one of the first to print lyrics on their album covers, sleeves or gatefolds.
The Beatles were the first popular act to put songs longer than the standard 3 miute format on the radio.
The Beatles produced 15 #1 hits, and spent a total of 1,278 weeks on the charts.
The Beatles went back in time, and started the Dutch Renaissance.
The Beatles made one of the first ever music videos, in 1966 for Paperback Writer.
The Beatles made one of the first ever concept albums, in 1967, with Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
The Beatles played one of the very first stadium concerts, in 1965, at Shea Stadium.
The Beatles created one of the very first self-contained record labels, in 1968, with Apple Records.
The Beatles were involved in the first Global Satellite broadcast, in 1967, with "All You Need is Love."
The Beatles pioneered or popularized a number of studio techniques, including double tracking, compression, phase-shifting, and innovative mic use.
The Beatles were either first, or one of the first to print lyrics on their album covers, sleeves or gatefolds.
The Beatles were the first popular act to put songs longer than the standard 3 miute format on the radio.
The Beatles produced 15 #1 hits, and spent a total of 1,278 weeks on the charts.
The Beatles went back in time, and started the Dutch Renaissance.
There are certainly plenty of examples of Motown tunes with great harmonies, but let's not get too carried away with the hyperbole.
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I think Paul would have been a much better bass player and gotten more recognition if he would have adopted a Fender bass from the get go. Either a Precision or a Jazz. Eventually he used a Jazz but not much and it shows. His Rick years were perhaps his best as a bass player. A small scale bass like the Hofner was adequate to their sound but not really outstanding.
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Saying "So-and-so would have been a better bassist if they played an XXX" is just stupid. Sorry, but there's just no other way to say it.
Hyperbole? I think you should be talking to a mirror. Show me a video where they do this song live, and then we'll talk. Even then, I don't see anything so special about this studio recording. IMHO, YMMV. It's all subjective.
I guess you're entitled to your opinion and I respect it. I don't like your language though. It clearly shows your lack of tact and education.
What I was trying to say is that his sound could have been more enjoyable, from my perspective, if he used a Fender bass. A great sound is a motivator to improve as well.
Having said that, I really love the Beatles and Paul in particular. His contribution is invaluable and I would have not picked up the bass if not for him.
That guy is cool. They should name a guitar line after him.
As the old saying goes, "It ain't bragging if it's a fact." No name calling involved - statement of fact. Attributing it to name calling doesn't change the truth.
I won't claim the Beatles cured the common cold or found a way to world peace. They simply had a permanent impact on popular music. It's not really debatable for anyone who was there and witnessed it.
There's a well-known quote by Paul Revere (of Paul Revere & The Raiders, one of the most popular US bands in the early to mid 60's). He said something to the effect of: "The Beatles brought out Sgt. Peppers, and the rest of us looked at each other and said 'what the hell do we do now?'"
I think that makes the point.
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